Speaker 1: 0:00

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Speaker 2: 0:45

What the fuck is up? everybody Hanging out here with my new friend that I met through an old friend of mine. We got figment coming to us from Florida. What's up, man?

Speaker 1: 0:59

Not a clue. what just happened there. I didn't click nothing, i didn't touch nothing. It said reconnecting. I have no idea.

Speaker 2: 1:08

Bro, you are good, But what's up? figment How's it going, man?

Speaker 1: 1:12

Good How you doing. It's a great way to start off an interview.

Speaker 2: 1:17

Dude, i'm not going to lie, i'm sitting there all like man. this is just left Man. I didn't even get through the intro yet He just straight up bird man.

Speaker 1: 1:26

He came in for respect on my name and just walked off.

Speaker 2: 1:32

Dude so I've been curious ever since Justin started hitting me up about bringing you on. What is the backstory behind the name figment? I know we're coming in hot with questions but, that's the number one one I've had, since I've heard of you.

Speaker 1: 1:50

So all right. So figment is basically a figment of your imagination. So I don't like being held down by one genre of music So I'm able to make whatever I want. I don't want to be held in a box where I'm like I can only make angry music, i can only make melodic music, i can only make house, so on and so forth, so I can make whatever I want because I'm not being held down by that. So it's literally a figment of your own imagination. You know the backstory behind it is that, you know, my, my logo is actually a bee. So I've been definitely allergic to bees since I was a kid And the way that I kind of go about it is that you know what can kill me can also make me stronger. So you know, if I use that into my imagination, i'm able to, you know, kind of use that in everyday life, not even just with music, with everything You know. Have that positive mindset, positive life.

Speaker 2: 2:49

Dude, that that's really fucking awesome. That like you kind of take what you do musically but then also like transfer it over to like real life stuff, just to like keep the ball rolling.

Speaker 1: 3:03

Absolutely, absolutely. You know figment is like it's me, you know I don't have to flip a switch and be somebody else. Like you know, that's just me in day to day life. So I try to use that, you know, with everything I can.

Speaker 2: 3:16

Dude. Honestly, there's a lot of. I'm seeing it more and more in the EDM scene, where you have a lot more DJs or producers and DJs, dude, producer, slash DJs Well, you know, however you want to swing it, they're starting like you know. At one point, you know, whenever we were growing up, with the name that cannot be spoken anymore, you know he just seemed larger than life. You know what I mean. But now, like, even with excision, like, even though excision seems larger than life, like he still puts on that persona that he's just someone that you can just walk up to and talk to. Yeah, we always got that. What you see is what you get from him.

Speaker 1: 3:57

Yeah, you got to always remember every, every DJ, every DJ producer, artist, you know, whatever you want to call, you know it's just a normal person. You know, like most of the time, like when you meet these people, like they're down the earth, like you know they're, they're looking to talk to you just as much as you want to talk to them. You know, like connecting with I don't like calling like people fans, i like calling them, you know friends, because they're supporting you. You know anybody that supports you should be a friend, right? So you know like they want to talk to you just as much as you want to talk to them. You know it's. You know the whole ego aspect in the industry which you know you'll, you'll see it And it's, it's everywhere, not even just industries. Anywhere you go, it's always going to be there. And the sooner that you, you know basically put that to the side and just talk to people like I, literally anytime I'm done a set or before set, i'm really walking the crowd talking to everybody. I can't. You know that's how you connect with people.

Speaker 2: 4:55

Well, dude, that's like a last year. I went to Blue Ridge Rockfest. Haven't haven't went to any EDM festival since, like Fright Night 2019. Oh God, I love that.

Speaker 1: 5:06

That was so and um it was so fun.

Speaker 2: 5:11

Dude, i uh, i had a fucking blast.

Speaker 1: 5:15

It was so much fun.

Speaker 2: 5:18

Um, hung out with old Just Add Water a little bit while while we were down there. Yeah. And um, just had a blast and got to like knock off a lot of my bucket list artists that I wanted to see. Yeah.

Speaker 1: 5:33

Yeah, it's kind of funny though because, like it's kind of funny. It's kind of funny though because, like you come from the rock background as well, like I come from like the hardcore scene, so like I grilled this in the rock and like everything. So going from, like you know, a rock festival and going to like an EDM festival, it's such a different dynamic. It really is Like they're just the crowd-wise, like I people watch a lot, so I'm like oh the, you would never see any of this stuff at the EDM show.

Speaker 2: 6:01

Well, dude, at Fright Night, like my wife was just dancing right and someone walks by and my wife Flats out, hits her in the face. Okay, my wife goes to apologize to her and the girls like hey, i am sorry for getting into your personal bubble and I'm like Bro, that does not happen at metal shows, no, Not at all Most of the time.

Speaker 1: 6:28

Like you're on the outskirt of the pit, you get punched in the face. You just have to take it. You just eat it, just like all right. Well, this is what it is now.

Speaker 2: 6:38

Mm-hmm. Well, dude, that's like I remember Cuz Al Ross back-to-back bomber was like one of my like bucket list sets I've always wanted to see, because both of them throw the fuck down. Yep right, i love Al, and I remember Al Ross hops up on the fucking up on the table and he goes open up the fucking pit And I get into a Congo line of about five fucking people running from the back of the tenant Fright Night to the pit. And then I come back And there was one of the zombies from Fright Night was in the pit with us. So like I come back in a white with a white t-shirt, blood all over it and my wife's freaking out. She's like are you okay? I'm like, yeah, i'm good.

Speaker 1: 7:25

That's one of those moments we like listen this, this ain't my blood, this ain't my blood and That. Not have any questions about promise. I promise is not mine.

Speaker 2: 7:34

I can't promise it's real or fake, but it is definitely not my, definitely not mine. But, dude, i'm I mean honestly, like here in the DMV, not even just you. Take Virginia, maryland and PA scene right now It is blowing up tenfold from what it was Like for COVID and like in like a year or two after. And this isn't me bringing up like COVID talk, this is just like talking about like how much the scenes are blowing up, like there's so much crazy stuff happening in Virginia, maryland and PA right now that I'm just like what the fuck?

Speaker 1: 8:16

I mean, like even even with the COVID talk, like you know, a lot of that is kind of like a blessing and a curse when it comes to music Production. You know it gave a lot of people an opportunity to kind of just sit back and work on their craft And, like you know, you don't have to worry about playing shows. You know, at the word, I'll do in a lot of like marketing in that aspect because you know we were all they're all locked down, you know. So it gave a lot of kids the opportunity to Work on music and give them you know someone some like a hobby. Some of them turned it into You know something big and then some of them are still working on it. You know So, like in the Philly, Baltimore and like New York and like Virginia scene, You're seeing all those artists that have been working at it for years starting to take off. Now. You know, like you had like a lot of the late at night kids. Like you know, Clipdick, Rack, Laze. Like you know They've been working on this for a long time and then you see like that starts to pay off and, like you know, put in the DMV and like all that on the map.

Speaker 2: 9:14

Dude, speaking of you know people that have been working on it a hard time, like a long time, I'm like even Jaws is starting to like real. Sorry, Metatron is like really starting to Dude he is. He is taking off like no other, like with his Graphic novel he released this year or last year. He's a marketing, i can't remember. Yeah. I know it was like early this year, late last year, but he's dude, he's just putting on.

Speaker 1: 9:52

Oh no, absolutely. Like I said, he's a marketing expert, like he, he had, he's been had that vision for meta And like he likes to call meta, like you know, his, his Other person. So like when he's in meta he's in meta. When he's in job, he's in job. You know, like he, he he's had this vision about meta for you know God knows how long and he's just Passionate. He wants this, he wants this. You know he had the, you know the memory loss and all that stuff you know, and you know he's still kind of recollecting a lot of his stuff. And you know, when He goes into meta, like there's, there's no holds bar, like that's a person. If you've never seen metatron live, that's one person I recommend to see because that You don't know what to expect from him. You can expect like Heavy stuff, melodic stuff, but like it's it's all over the map, and you know, over the map, and like he's absolute monster, absolute monster.

Speaker 2: 10:50

First time I ever saw meta was before the accident that he had, and, uh, i never talked to the guy before. I just remember seeing him. It was in baltimore, it was. I I don't even remember what the event was, honestly, i just remember I went down because my boy I am zombie was playing, so I was like, okay, i'ma roll in And, uh, check out this event. That meta was there, don DC was there. That's my view. I was there.

Speaker 1: 11:19

I love don.

Speaker 2: 11:20

Oh, i love don Don don. Dc is the boy don's don's played a few shows with my I. I met him shoot shit. I want to say three, four years ago He came up and played a show with my boys in the bass club, curfew, frank white, yeah Yeah. And then, and I remember meeting him and he was super laid back, super chill and uh, the first time I had jaw on the podcast god damn it, metatron on the podcast. He uh, it was like it was recently after his accident, but it was long enough after that like he was like trying to read, like reteach himself everything and Seeing the metatron from whenever I saw him To the metatron. You see, now I feel like He also like rebuilt Metatron in a way that's even more successful than it was before that I can definitely see that because, like, how He's pushing it more, like you know he's he's on that grind.

Speaker 1: 12:30

Like he is on that grind and I think a lot of it has to do with, like you know, he has a good support. He has a good support system, like you know. Like I said earlier about friends, like you know, friends are gonna be your biggest supporters. If you have a good team behind you, a good people behind you, like You can accomplish whatever you want. You really can. And like he's, he's passionate, he's passionate about it, he's worked hard at it and, like you know, this is what he's always wanted dude it.

Speaker 2: 12:58

I. I just love seeing the glow up from The local and regional scene Period I. I don't care who it is, whenever it comes down to it, most of the music I listen to anymore is just mainly like local and regional artists need to be the rock scene or the country or EDM scene like I. I tend to stick to like the local guys. Yeah, because they're pushing the boundaries further than what a lot of net main mainstream artists are.

Speaker 1: 13:30

Yeah, well, because they're not playing it safe. You know they're trying to stand out. Like that's how it, that's how anything should be. Like, you know, try something new And like that was the point of my project was to not be held down by one thing. So, like you know, i can do music that would be at, like you know, 150 dubstep, and second drop will be drum and bass at like 172,. You know, like it, playing it safe can be good, obviously, but you know you want to stand out in the crowd and stand out to people. So, you know, switch it up. You know, have fun with it. That's the whole point of this. Like, when you start considering this a job, start to lose all the fun in it. You really do, like, anytime I'm making music, especially anytime I make, like I do, you know, live sets. I don't plan sets. I never had planned a set ever. Like, i know what I open with, i know what I close with. Everything else is just off the top of the head, because if, like, if you're having fun with it, that's all that matters. You know, like the crowd, like if you're having fun and the crowd is having fun and you're, you know, you see all you see, them all in front of you. You see the smiles. You see, you know the high knees, all that high energy. You know Mission, mission accomplished. And those are a lot of those underground.

Speaker 2: 14:47

Speaking of artists pushing the boundaries, i heard Haven't listened to it yet but I heard that like excision's been like Dropping a lot of base house here recently.

Speaker 1: 14:59

Yeah that's 100% houses, that base houses, like it's always been there, like you know it's. That's a huge, huge, a huge community. It's always been there. But seeing a lot of these artists that are, like you know, considered mainstream artists Dropping, like you know, base house, drop in drum and bass on their sets, you know, um, no, a good, a good example of that is like subtronics and john summitt doing stuff together like the most random categories of like artists doing back to backs and like making it work, like it's great And like I love that. I love doing like random back to backs with artists that you would never expect to do stuff together, like it's so much fun because you get out of your comfort zone and seeing the genre of music change like that, like it's awesome But like not a lot of people realize, like you know, in the scene, like if you listen to old Shambhala mixes from Excision, he's always put house Saitrans like drum and bass, like he's always spurned that in a sense. It just hasn't been like that for a while because the mainstream dubstep has always been that way.

Speaker 2: 16:12

Well, dude, that's like the first time I just. you know, what brought me into the EDM scene period was Skrillex, back in fuck, 2012, 2013. You know, and I feel like that's how a lot of people are, like that's, that was their first introduction to EDM, was like Skrillex.

Speaker 1: 16:32

Oh no, absolutely. You know, like he's put EDM on the map, Like he a hundred percent has.

Speaker 2: 16:38

Now, do you think if Skrillex, you know like Bang a Ring and First of the Year, do you think if those songs didn't have the success they had, edm would be where it's at right now?

Speaker 1: 16:50

I want to say yes because you know, with saying that, like that was actually to go off. The other thing about Skrillex, like you know, putting EDM on the map with that, we've had other artists that were around that timeframe Like a little backstory, a little history. So the first dubstep set in the US was Rusko in California. Like 12 planet used to throw his own events and he had a little like speak easy type, like venue And Rusky. He brought Rusko out for like his first ever set in the US and it was a dubstep show. It was a dubstep of that. So like, if you want to go on the actual general aspect, like Rusko is like the originator for us that brought it to the US and the mainstream. So like yes and no, like yes and no, i'm going to say, without a doubt, skrillex definitely gave us our sound with like his production back then because, like you know, bang a Ring First of the Year, like we're going to go a little step further, like the song father said, like we all try to copy that sound design. Like we really have like that old school 2012 dubstep where, like you know, it was just all. It was just all base. It was just all base. So you know, seeing it develop over the years and like seeing where, especially with Skrillex, seeing where he went from then to now, because it's a crazy journey to see, because he went through every single genre possible, like realistically, every single genre, like you know I don't know if a lot of people know like he was in a band called From First to Last, which was like old school, old school like Skrillex. He wasn't Skrillex, he was Sonny, like that was back in his emo hardcore days. So seeing him go from that to the R to C is now like it's crazy, it's absolutely crazy. So, yeah, i want to say yes and no to that Dude, i mean.

Speaker 2: 18:52

I mean, honestly, that was a very weighted question that, like, i agree with you, yes and no cause. You know, even you know Deadmau5 was dropping bangers back then. You know you had you know Daft Punk have a few songs like hit radio, play Yep And. But I don't know, like part of me also feels like and maybe this may be in bias, because it's what brought me into the EDM scene was the commercial success of Skrillex is also what brought a lot of like Deadmau5 to the like, to the mainstream forefront, because people was like, oh, i like, oh, this song by Skrillex is great. Oh man, now here's Deadmau5. Oh, now here's like, like, you know what I mean? Yeah, it's the same way that I went from being a pop punk kid to being a metal core and desk core kid.

Speaker 1: 19:49

Yeah, no, absolutely You know what. Like it's funny, I kind of blame Pandora for that. You remember the old app Pandora? Yeah, like I feel like everybody did this, where they just typed in dubstep radio and then you discovered all that, like you know, like you typed in Skrillex and everything that was like related to dubstep or in that same category. You're like, oh, i like this, i like this. Like I feel like a lot of kids got that introduction to that cause. you have, like you know, skrillex was doing it around then with the dubstep Venture Club was doing it around then. You know, obviously you know Rusco, you know all these people that kind of are like those, the like originators of that genre. All these kids discovered it through, like you know, pandora and just listening to like the like you know that radio dude 100%, I mean.

Speaker 2: 20:38

I remember that's how I found out about knife party. That's how I learned about excision Night party You weren't expecting to hear that name.

Speaker 1: 20:47

Oh, i'm gonna say some were you. I love my party. Oh, my god, i love my party. That was like that was one of my favorite sets at Los lands, because, like it was just so nostalgic, like you just heard all this, like all this shit you grew up on, so like when they played like internet, like internet friends. Oh my god, i lost my mind, lost my goddamn.

Speaker 2: 21:05

Dude my favorite songs by them. It's it's two of them, They're like I can't put ahead of one another and it's either internet friends or bonfire.

Speaker 1: 21:16

That's always a classic. Oh, is it classic? Cuz, like yo, like back then, like I still say, bonfire was before it's time, like if bonfire just came out today It would blow up all over again. Like I really would. Because, like it was, it was so different. We didn't have that that reggae and You know EDM combination yet like we had a little bit like it wasn't like you know anything crazy, but like their sound design and you know Incorporating the different genres together, like it was just a masterpiece, it was absolute masterpiece. And like It was play. It was played everywhere. It was played everywhere. If you were using tick like vines of it, like they're making vines of that song, like you know, you heard it on Pandora every goddamn day, you know, like it, like It was, it was a banger, was an absolute banger.

Speaker 2: 22:06

Listen. You know a song's a banger whenever like It's probably been fuck I. Want to say over ten years eight, nine years since I listened to it fully and that's centipede, and I can still remember the you know the entry and then like the drop right after the intro Yep.

Speaker 1: 22:27

I Still throw a centipede in my head. I still do. I love it. I love it I.

Speaker 2: 22:33

Don't know What's gotten into me, but the last few years I don't know if, like, i just went on like a two, three year like way too strong into EDM thing, but like There's only certain songs that are in my playlist anymore that if they pop up that like I can, i'll sit there and still listen to them. Like anything by contra white knight hit that next button, you can't do it. Yeah, but then there's also a lot of songs that I have in my playlists that it's like Onto the next one, see.

Speaker 1: 23:06

I have. I like my problem is like when I, when I find a new song, i play the ever-living shit out of it, like I really do, and like that's what screws it up for me, because like I'll play it like 30 times on repeat. this goes, like you, you know, when you hear that one song, you're like yep, that's a banger, that's an absolute banger, and like I'll tire myself out from it And I'll stop listening to it for, like you know, maybe a month or two and it comes back on.

Speaker 2: 23:30

I'm like yep, yep, play it again, playing again well, dude, i've been like so balls deep into the rock and metal world the last few years like I don't know if that's what's done it. Because, like Dude, every morning hit, i get in my car, i've, i go to my download of music because I live in the middle of bumfuck Egypt So it takes me like 15 minutes to get to like any kind of cell phone service. The realization I go to my download of music go to the Amity Affliction and listen to them every single morning, and that is one band in my lifetime that I can never get tired of, and I didn't even start listening to them until like last September, oh, and they were my number one listen to like I can play.

Speaker 1: 24:19

I can play Pittsburgh on repeat and not get tired of it like I can't.

Speaker 2: 24:25

Pittsburgh is not one of my favorite songs by them.

Speaker 1: 24:28

I mean Pittsburgh is definitely one of their like I want to say super, like kind of mainstream ones. So like I get it, i get it.

Speaker 2: 24:34

Bro, my favorite song off of that same album is don't lean on me.

Speaker 1: 24:40

You have a very solid point there. Solid point there That one's a that's always asleep or no?

Speaker 2: 24:46

Pittsburgh. Pittsburgh is a great song, don't get me wrong, but I just don't don't lean on me hits me in a different way, i guess, than what Pittsburgh does. But I think the thing that draws me to The Amity Affliction is like, even though they are a metalcore band, you get a lot of that emo, Like actually talking about their feelings, more than just like In a riddle. They're flat out, like you know, we're sad as fuck, we want to fucking die and we're gonna write music about. We're gonna write music about it.

Speaker 1: 25:24

That's like um, you know who spite is. Yes, so that's like spite. So like spite's first ever album, like I saw when they first came out, like I've been following spite for like literally, like almost like 10 years. Like maybe like yeah, i want to say around like 10 years. Um, they're very first album They put out, the. The whole intro is about him like he's literally recording himself in his bathroom screaming about like Basically, like what like his emotions and like you know That's run a podcast, all thing himself, okay, and that entire album was like that, that crazy aspect, and he was talking about feelings and emotions and You know they they kept with that for years. They kept with that, that Talking about feelings, and like it's always been that hardcore aspect. So like I I understand that one like spite's always been one of my favorites, you know, man, if I'm not wrong.

Speaker 2: 26:21

I think I might have the opportunity to see, spite this year. I'm I'm not saying I 100% have the opportunity, because I'm looking through the lineup for the festival I'm going to, but I'm pretty sure that they're gonna be there. I'm pretty sure that they're gonna be there. I'm pretty sure that they're gonna be there, but I'm pretty sure that they're gonna be there. Do it, absolutely do it.

Speaker 1: 26:42

Like I was. I was in um. My brother recently got married So I was in um, ocean city, new Jersey, and this was like last month and they had a festival called bamboozle fest that same exact week in Atlantic City. I immediately saw that and saw the lineup and like my inner elder emo came out. So bad because, like Gideon was on it, um chelsea grin was on it, um Fucking limb biscuit was on it, like motionless and white was on it. Like I about lost my mind. I almost like immediately bought tickets because like that was like what, like I used to listen to for years, like I love Gideon Gideon If anybody, like you know, anybody, wants to listen, some good quality, like old school elder emo Gideon. You got to listen to old school Gideon. It's absolutely incredible. But like I almost bought tickets and they cancel the festival. I was so depressed about that because I've never seen limb biscuit. Every time I've tried to see Gideon, like every single time Something has happened, like my car broke down Or, like you know, i hadn't worked that night, like something has always happened, and this is just goes to show you, always every time I try to see Gideon, something goddamn happens well, dude, so so.

Speaker 2: 27:54

So the uh, the festival that I am actually going to this year is I'm going to blue ridge rock fest again this year. I want to go.

Speaker 1: 28:02

I saw that lineup.

Speaker 2: 28:02

It's and the lineup. Dude, like just the first Nine bands on this lineup, you got slipknot. Pantera Shine down five finger death, punch, limp biscuit, evanescence till lindman, till fucking Bro, bro and mega death, mega death. Oh my god, i remember.

Speaker 1: 28:28

I remember being like 13 years old playing raw versus smackdown and having sympathy of destruction. Come on.

Speaker 2: 28:38

Well, dude so the granted, even though I'm excited about seeing limp biscuit for my first time in my life, pierce the veil and sleeping with sirens are playing on the same day.

Speaker 1: 28:51

Yeah, i'm sleeping, i'm seeing sleeping with sirens all day, like I, i, i'm all over the place. of music I really am so like I can really listen to, like you know, cannibal corpse, you know, or like dying fetus, and then, literally right after, listen to like Sleeper sirens fucking, you know. if you can't hang like I'm all over the place, so like that's how my music category is.

Speaker 2: 29:14

well, The reason I'm excited about pierce the veil and sleeping with sirens playing on the same day this year is They are friends again, like friends with all the guys in pierce the veil, and Last year they both played blue Ridge, but they played on separate days. This year, fingers crossed, since they're playing on the same day, i think tellin more sticks around after they're set and then comes in and they play king for for the day together.

Speaker 1: 29:45

Because that would be fucking insane, just to see it like I remember, like I'm trying to think because, like Remember, warps are like. I've gone to warp tour for like years. Like you know, i wasn't even okay. It's like I grew up in that elder emo generation, so like I can't remember if they did it at that tour date, but I remember seeing videos back in the day of them at warps are doing king for today together, and then just stopped, just stopped out of nowhere. I was like, oh, that sucks, of course. You know, the one time I want to go see it, nothing happens.

Speaker 2: 30:18

Yeah, dude, i heard through. I don't know if it's just bullshit seen on facebook or what are on social media, but I saw that they're talking about bringing warp tour back.

Speaker 1: 30:33

If they bring warp tour back, i promise you you're gonna see me at the function with skinny jeans, big ass osiris shoes And, like I, will cut my hair where it's like elder emo gun, i swear to Christ I'll put my snake bites back in. we're going off, we're going all in.

Speaker 2: 30:50

Listen, man, you ever see me at warp tour? I'll probably be in hoochie daddy shorts in a fucking tank top. Yep, like cut off skinny jeans in a tank top.

Speaker 1: 31:01

But like it has to be old school warp, like it has to be what, like I wish a lot of these, like these, this new generation of, like you know, kids could experience what warp tour was. Because, like for a lot of us, we waited all year for that. Like a lot of us, we didn't go to a single concert, we didn't go to a single show. We waited for warp tour because we saw them all at once. So like, and a lot of the times, like they that's really discovered new bands, like I discovered volumes at Warped Tour and like that, like that's always been one of my favorites ever since then, like you discovered so many new bands just by walking around the festival. And like I did a lot of moving. So, like I grew up in Philly, so I was 16. Then I moved to Connecticut from 16. So I was like 22, 23. And then I moved back to Philly and then I moved to Florida I'm 27 now, so I've been in Florida for a past, like two and a half years. And when I went to Warped Tour, like I did the Warped Tour in Philly when I was like 15, 16. And then when I went to Connecticut, like it was so different because, like, philly has a good like hardcore scene, but the Connecticut and Massachusetts they go all in, like they go all fucking in and it was awesome. It was absolutely incredible because, like they're just everybody's there for the same reason, everybody's there enjoying the music. Like you know it was. It was awesome, it was fucking awesome. And you know a lot of those bands you always saw in Connecticut or Massachusetts because how big the hardcore scene was there. So, like you would like discover a new band and then see them like a month later up there, like it was. It was fucking incredible.

Speaker 2: 32:49

Well, dude, my, my favorite Warped Tour story that I have came from. The final year, i went to it in Atlantic City on the beach, and the second day my buddy and I planned to wear shirts to piss off the crowd, and the second day, anti flag was playing. So we both purposely went out and found tank tops. Well, we ordered the tank tops online because we found them on Facebook and said this would be perfect to wear in the pit for anti flag, and it had Donald Trump holding a cat saying grab him by the pussy.

Speaker 1: 33:37

Now you guys are the life of the goddamn party, my favorite story.

Speaker 2: 33:44

Here's the best part, though Not only did we not get extra roughed up in the pit for it, we were walking around all day with people complimenting our shirts, and I'm like, dude, this is having the like, complete opposite effect of what we were like going for.

Speaker 1: 34:04

So basically, mission success, the mission failed at the same time.

Speaker 2: 34:10

Exactly. I mean also that Warped Tour is where I found my favorite summertime outfit And it's a pair of Chubberalls, so like Chubby Short Company, but they made overalls that are their short size and their American flag. I fucking love those things. Yeah, i might have to cop a pair of those. That sounds awesome, dude. When I bought them, they were like 80 bucks. I just went online today to look at them because I was trying to like remember the name of them to tell someone about them, and they're $120 now, damn. So, yeah, you caught them at the right time. But, man, i want to get back into talking about your music. What do you have anything getting released that's a little bit outside of your comfort zone of like what you would normally put out?

Speaker 1: 35:06

So like so, when I released a lot of my early stuff you know it was basically all heavy stuff. Like you know, i wasn't into the melodic realm yet. And when I released Perfect on Subsidia Dawn Volume 4, you know I was very excited about that because you got to see a different side of what Big Mac was Well sorry, what pigment is, and you know I have a. So I'm kind of working on something still behind the scenes. You know you, you'll definitely see it very soon, very, very soon, and I'm super excited about it. I can't give too much details yet. It's going to be very different. It's going to be a combination of melodic, heavy, maybe a little bit of house in there, you know, just to see what the project is becoming. You know that's kind of like back to what we were talking about when Excision dropped in Bass House and in his sets. You know, i want to be a good example for artists and kids that are afraid to put out what they want to put out. And you know I always, i always tell anybody I'm like, listen, make music for you. You know a lot of people try to make music that is to a certain demographic. I want to make music for myself. You know this was a hobby. I'm an underground kid, i came from the underground. You know I make music that I like to hear And I love everybody that supports me. And you know, listen to my music and you know they like what I make. And you know I have a lot of things that are going to be coming up that are going to definitely be out of my comfort zone. So I'm excited to see how everybody takes it.

Speaker 2: 36:51

Now, before we hopped on there and we were chit-chatting a little bit, you said that you have some other things coming out too. Is there anything else you got? that's a little bit behind the scenes, Something you can give a little bit more info on.

Speaker 1: 37:08

Um, so I am working on a debut EP. I can't say where, i can't say when it's coming out, but I am working on a debut EP And it's going to have four songs on it. It's going to be, like I said, a mixture of melodic heavy and a little bit you know, a little bit of other stuff. I don't want to give too much details yet because it's something I've been working on very hard about And I like the surprise aspect. But I can give you a little sneak peek of you know two of the songs, so I'll give you a little quick let's hear it. I'll give you a little quick sneak peek. I'll tell you a little background story about the two of them. Okay, this is the first one. This song is called Clearly. You guys able to hear it, you guys able to hear it. So that's a little sneak peek of one of them. That song is called Clearly. So a lot of times when I make music, you know, i go off what I'm feeling, i go off emotion and you know, um, i like to kind of incorporate all that stuff I'm feeling sad. You know I'll make a lot of like heavier stuff or you know more, um, that headbang, stompy type shit. And then when I'm feeling happy, or you know, lovey-dovey, i'll make a lot of that melodic stuff. So you know, actually I made this song about somebody very special in my life, so I'm excited for it to actually come out. And I'll give you a little sneak peek of one more that you guys are going to be waiting until the fall for. But this is actually one of my favorites And I've been holding on to this because we're talking about a lot of people that are, you know, originators into the scene And these people actually got me into the scene. They got me into all of you know the melodic realm, so this is my collab with Adventure Club, kind of feelin' lovey-dovey just dreams and confusion.

Speaker 2: 40:21

All you know it's fully-frightened fully-frightened, my favorite one.

Speaker 1: 40:58

It's my all-time favorite one.

Speaker 2: 41:02

Bro, both of those songs, i love them, thank you. speaking of Adventure Club, you would I have one song by them That like is one of my many songs that is like whenever it comes on, i can't skip it. Yep, yep, and it's their remake of make a damn sure with modern machines and Saint Slumber.

Speaker 1: 41:27

Bro, it's I. Like I said, i love them because, like they, they stand out. Like you know, they Full circle. Like I said, like they are a big reason that got me into Dubstep and EDM. Like you know, a lot of people have squirrel eggs. A lot of people have, you know, rusco excision. Mine was actually a venture club and You know, full circle moment was, you know, i'm getting the work with them and you know, do music with them. Like it's just a surreal, crazy feeling and And reason why I love them so much is because they use a lot of different like old school songs. Like you know, make damn sure, by taking back Sunday, that remix is incredible. Like they used the yeah, yeah, yeah as The song maps. You know they took that sample and threw it into their to one of their songs. Like you know, they I love that they incorporate so much of like the Elder alternative emo side and, like you know, they're able to do those remixes and be free about it.

Speaker 2: 42:25

Like you know they're they never felt uncomfortable throwing out a remix of a song so This is the last question I'm gonna ask and then go ahead and then it's gonna run into you promoting yourself. We're gonna go and wrap this thing up. What were your emotions like whenever you found out that, like you, were having the chance to work with a venture club? All right, so I'm gonna give a backstory behind it.

Speaker 1: 42:49

So I released the song called kill them all on havoc records. You know, it's a, it's a rhythm label. This was, like I want to say, three years ago, maybe four years ago. So I released the song on havoc and you know, i always I always look into and see who likes it and repost it. And I saw that a venture club liked it. I was like no fucking way, i'm like that this has to be like a bot account, like that's not fucking them. And I clicked on it. It really was them. So like, here's me freaking out in my room fucking, running back and forth, like almost crying that a venture club Like you know, like them, repost my song. You know I shot my shot. I shot my shot. I messaged them on Instagram. I was like hey, i just saw you guys like my song. Like I would love to send you guys someone release and you know, whatever you guys want to play out, you know, free to have have fun. Never thought I was gonna get a message back. Never, never, never thought I was gonna get a message back. Literally, i woke up the next day to them saying like yo, we really like love this song and please send it over. So here I am fangirling again, freaking out, send them a bunch of music. And you know I had this, this song sitting in my project files And I was like you know what I'm like, i'm gonna shoot my shot. I sent them and I was like how would you guys like the like, hop on this? And they listened. They're like this is absolutely incredible, let's, let's fucking do it. So like I literally like started crying because, like that was just like a very Full circle moment, cuz, like you know, never thought you could work with your idols, never thought you could work with, you know, people that got you into this, and like it's still it's very surreal feeling. Like you know, with me Playing all these shows and traveling and meeting all these artists that you know I grew up listening to, like it's still very surreal, like it really really is. But you know I always got put in the back of my head that you know they're still. They're still humans, they're still people. You know, like they're gonna want to talk to you just as much as you want to talk to them. So like it's a very crazy, very, very crazy feeling get to, you know, work with a lot of these people that I, you know, grew up listening to.

Speaker 2: 44:57

Dude. That is how I felt whenever I Booked Joey Sturgis on this show. And I don't know if you know who Joey Sturgis is. Sounds like a little backstory. So he was like one of the main sound engineer and producers on a lot of the early Devil Wears Prada albums. No way, yeah are we talking like with asking Alexandria.

Speaker 1: 45:28

Like are we talking like old school, devil Wears Prada, like you know, pop ghost punk album Devil Wears Prada. or we talking like you know, 2014-ish 15 earlier. Yes, yes earlier.

Speaker 2: 45:39

This is like 2000. Well, dude, even he worked on Un Memento, because I don't want to give wrong info here, but I know for a fact he's worked with a A Skylet Drive. I mean not a Skylet Drive asking Alexandria. Yeah, we came as Romans, so just.

Speaker 1: 46:06

Elder, very elder emo people. Very, very elder emo people.

Speaker 2: 46:11

So he worked on Patterns of a horizon with the Devil Wears Prada. He did engineering, mixing and producing. Really. He also did dear love, a beautiful discord with them, i'm sure. So that's 2005, 2006. Yep plagues, he did that one as well. Um, hang on. He also did worked on. Someday came suddenly by attack, attack, attacks album. He won that one, we're giving me. We're giving me jokes above and branches below.

Speaker 1: 46:49

We're giving me. We're giving me chills going back on this memory lane.

Speaker 2: 46:54

Do? he did the engineering, mastering, mixing and producing on stand-up and scream really.

Speaker 1: 47:02

So yeah, he's an, oh, he's an og og into the actual music production and sound engineering, like.

Speaker 2: 47:09

Bro, when I tell you Like, like, so, so story behind that happening was a buddy of mine he tagged Joey Sturgis made an Instagram post saying that he was trying to get on some podcasts. Yeah, buddy of mine tagged me in it and And I didn't like, i didn't want to come off as fan girling So I was like hey, if you're interested, just shoot me a DM or hit me up. You know what I mean. Literally 10 minutes later He commented back and said DM me and it was literally set and so yep. Like that was such a surreal moment, like That. Whenever I did that episode though I had to tell him before we start recording I'm like listen man, like the first Few sentences I say are gonna come off very fangirly, but whenever we start talking more, you will completely understand. And I came in I was like what the fuck is up? everybody Sitting here hanging out with like what, like the mastermind, but time like 80% of my favorite music growing up, yep, and like then it just then I just let go of the fangirl and went straight into like just chilling.

Speaker 1: 48:21

So I mean, like you always, i just had to get that over with. Yeah, you got to get that past. Like you know, like I did like so, like when I went eventual club message me back, i literally was like pacing back and forth because like it didn't feel real. It did not feel real at all and, like you know, it's so crazy to be at that point where it's like you're, you become friends with them and have a friendship and you start talking to people and it's like it's so crazy, it's so surreal, you know, but that's like that's the moment you got to live in. You know You got to live within those moments and you know those are little blessings. Yeah, i take that in well, hey, man, hey don't.

Speaker 2: 48:57

Don't want to rush off here, but I think that's a good Place to put a bookmark in this conversation until next time. Tell, tell people where they can find you and if, like you, have a merch store or anything, if people can find it online, i do our best place to find for merch and music.

Speaker 1: 49:16

No, like I said, like we said, my name is pigment. It is spelled FIG M, v, like Victor, v and T. You know I'm on 13 different labels. I'm on subsidia root service Case of sound, dirty snatch, a bunch of different things. If you, any of you guys want merch, you know you can DM me directly. I do have a few stores I can send you guys to. I do have upcoming shows. So I play in Kentucky July 1st with rubble, oh, and then I am in Denver, colorado Excuse me, denver, colorado, july 13th at church. So you know it's been an absolute fucking pleasure being on the show with you and you know got to talk about. You know everything and, like You know, chit chat down memory lane about this elder emo. You know About the go go listen to stick stickly. You know attack, attack for a few hours.

Speaker 2: 50:09

Dude, listen, i appreciate you coming and hanging out with me this evening. I had a blast and, uh, it was really great going down memory lane because memory, memory, lee, goddamn fucking West Virginia education right there, dude, i had a blast going down memory lane and just talking about the old. You know the old days of dubstep, the old days of EDM and and Would love to have you again sometime, absolutely.

Speaker 1: 50:40

Like I said um, we can set something up when you know when the new, the new music comes down. Ep love to come back, you know, give everybody what they, what they wanted from that, so have that surprise aspect.

Speaker 2: 50:51

Let's set it up. Sounds good, brother, sounds good. Thank you everyone for tuning in. If this is your first time listening to us Because you came in here, because my boy figment was hearing you in here He had to say you can find us on all socials at the Wilson King podcast, that's Instagram, facebook, tick tock, twitter. Wherever social media is you, you can find us typically on the main ones. I don't know about, like some of these smaller ones haven't really dabbled in it too much But you can also find us at our website, at the wilsonkingpodcastcom. All of our episodes are uploaded there. Our videos are there. We also have a merch store on on there. We got t-shirts, we got beanies, snapbacks, we got men's tank tops, women's tank tops, backpacks, coffee mugs. If you enjoyed it. We also have a review tab on there and you can go leave us a review. Let us know how we're doing. If you absolutely fucking hated us, give us a one-star review. If you absolutely loved us, give us a five-star review. I don't care, just let us know what you thought You put one star, i'm a fine, you I'm a steal, all your weed. But thank you everyone again for tuning in. Have a great rest of your week. Be safe, be responsible, don't drink and drive peace.