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Speaker 2:We're here with the boys and Canon.
Speaker 3:Hill.
Speaker 2:What is up, guys? We got ol' Hefe, Trent Dakota and ol' Maverick.
Speaker 1:What's up big dawg.
Speaker 2:How's it going? It's been a year since you all been on the show.
Speaker 1:It's been a minute. It was just me and Dakota last time. We got these two sexy, gorgeous human beings joining us this time around.
Speaker 2:What was the last time you were on the show?
Speaker 1:It's been about a year.
Speaker 3:It was a fat minute. I watched it.
Speaker 1:It was before Trent joined we were looking for our heavy metal conner McGregor at the time.
Speaker 3:Yeah, back when I was just a fan.
Speaker 2:Let's go back through and look. Good thing that I keep track of all my episodes. Hell yeah, dude. So how's so? How's the music treating you all now?
Speaker 1:Well, the music the music portions treated, is great. We're actually we're tag teaming with dinosaurs in Paris on on our next upcoming singles and they're kind of helping us with the recording process and everything. It's turning out pretty good. We're pretty happy with the instrumentals. This dipshit still got to go do his vocals, but you know.
Speaker 4:Yeah, they're, their guitars is actually my cousin, so I know oh yeah, I know these things. How do you? Yeah, he's got connections, no man.
Speaker 2:whenever I had them on the show last year he was like yeah, you have my cousin on the show. I'm like who the fuck is your cousin?
Speaker 4:But you have two of them because Jason, Jason is my cousin too. Jason, I'm kind.
Speaker 2:I forgot Jason.
Speaker 1:Yeah, oh, we talked about that.
Speaker 4:Yeah we did.
Speaker 2:Oh, buckshot, yeah, I like Buckshot, he's good people.
Speaker 4:I'm related to everyone. I mean it is West Virginia. I thought that's what you said.
Speaker 3:Your name was Buckshot.
Speaker 4:Have you been lying to me this whole time? No, that's what they used to call me.
Speaker 1:Why the hell would his name be Buckshot?
Speaker 5:I want to call your name like that. No, you're your Nick.
Speaker 1:No, your nickname is bitch and you like it.
Speaker 2:I mean, I mean, I'm going to be honest, I like Cafe, that face pretty good.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's pretty free. That's racist as fuck. He's Cuban.
Speaker 2:OK, your point. Yeah, what is your point?
Speaker 1:This 2023,. God damn it.
Speaker 2:I mean, listen, ray, that is not racist at all, especially if the hypothetical victim of racism is agreeing with it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I was joking, damn it. God, don't come after me like now you made shit awkward way to go.
Speaker 4:Yeah, good job, I would have fucking white people Fuck where.
Speaker 1:No, but he's.
Speaker 3:Music's been good. I don't really have much listening with the local scene, except for a couple like accident dinosaurs in Paris and then my own band, paradise Ablaze, but I've been listening to music a lot. I'm the I would. I would like to pride myself as I'm the person that is the most musically rounded in this entire group.
Speaker 1:Here we go, yeah, and it begins.
Speaker 2:What do you mean by musically rounded?
Speaker 4:OK, he's just better than everyone else.
Speaker 3:That's not because he likes jazz. That's not why my point being is that these fucks are stuck in Dad Rockville.
Speaker 1:Eat a dick.
Speaker 3:It's. Is this not true? Jeff, he has a point, he has a point and you know they dick right thrash bands like every other fucking dude in this entire scene, and you know, listen, I love thrash bands. But it's just like it's kind of nice to just have more of a well rounded sound of music, to apply it to our sound more, and that's something that I feel like I've been a good asset to doing.
Speaker 1:I feel like with our new stuff that we're creating, I will give you credit, you, you have made us a little more diverse as far as music goes. But I don't just dick right thrash bands. Actually 80s hair metal is my shit, so you can fuck right off, is it see gay?
Speaker 2:You could call it gay all you want.
Speaker 1:Those motherfuckers were pulling down Chotch.
Speaker 3:Yeah, in the 80s, not in the 20s.
Speaker 2:Well, no, because they're old as fuck, I mean dude, if I'm, if I'm be honest with you, right, like you know, hair metal was cool whenever I was like three. I'm more of a, you know. I like my country, I like my bluegrass, I like my pop punk, I like my metal core, I like my death core, I like my hardcore, I like my jazz. Every now and again.
Speaker 5:How would you define our sound if you had to?
Speaker 2:Y'all yeah.
Speaker 5:Fuck man, because I'm always in a little bit intrigued at what the response is when I meet a friend or something like that. He's trying to figure out a way.
Speaker 2:I would put them in the category of, like they were trying to be a modern day 80s band.
Speaker 4:I would say yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:But like listening to y'all at Appalachian you're given like I'm getting more of, like you're more hitting, like coming into the early 2000s metal.
Speaker 4:So we're evolving.
Speaker 1:A couple years beyond. Yeah, we're like Russia, we're like 20 years behind the fashion.
Speaker 3:No, it is a big thing because we, we, you know, once we all joined and there was new, different influences, musically, it was a little hard to try and get out of the rut that we were in and we're sort of just creating the same stuff over and over again, like you know it was.
Speaker 1:it was getting a little repetitive.
Speaker 3:Yeah, rinse and repeat and so it was really good. Because you know, jeff is a big guy on like pop, punk and like other bands like that, and I was a big person. I really like indie music. That's what my other band is, Paradise of Blaze, where else we're an indie band, and I also really like new metal stuff and so like Meet your Demise, which is a song we're currently working on. If you were at Appalachian Rock Festival you probably heard it, but that was more of a new metal influence, at least with the vocals, and we're working on a new one too. That's pretty, pretty close up in that alley and it's awesome. It's kind of like a death tones feel and I fucking love death tones.
Speaker 2:So, dude, speaking of indie, I've been jamming to that new Ex-Ambassador song Friend for Life. Bro, that song bops. Yes, dude, I screamed that shit in my fucking car at least once a day.
Speaker 3:If you, if you do want to enter into the more indie side of things, I could recommend a few bands for you. There's Backseat Lovers, love them. Peach Pit Like them yeah. This is awesome. See, this is what I'm saying, man.
Speaker 1:I look, I don't. I'm not a fan of indie music, but I do respect what it brings to the table. It brings, it brings the table. The people that are in indie bands are talented individuals. So I can't, I can't knock them, bro, that's because you dick her out of 80s bands. Look, yeah, ok, and I'm going to say I am. I am going to say they don't build rock stars like they used to. I'm sorry they don't. You're going to tell me that slash wasn't the hardest motherfucker in the world. Come on, man, that dude used to, they used to. That dude used to be fucked up on stage and just rip his shit up.
Speaker 5:I feel like we do have a good balance though, like with our like obviously, like to hear the two of them talk, and you get the the far right and the far left per se of the music genre world. It's cool to see because if, if you know, Trent had it his way, we'd be playing in the acoustic covers, and if Tyler or, you know, if Maverick had it his way, we'd be, you know, playing just like old school Metallica, like back in the day. So it's a good blend and I feel like it's a little unique because that's where you're a cocksucker, it was an accident. That's where I feel like the magic happens, at least in today's music world. Like genre bending music is the future. I feel like like 100 percent.
Speaker 2:I mean dude, ok let me go into like. So I am huge in the EDM as well. It's like dubstep, base house, all that. You have so many producers who have been strictly dubstep for 15, 20 years starting to produce base house now and blending base house with dubstep and blending techno with dubstep, and that is I mean, you know let's use a prime example of one of the bands doing it the greatest right now with genre blending. Bring me the horizon, yeah, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1:I'm going to counter that with bad omens. I think bad omens is doing it right there.
Speaker 5:Well, to be fair, they are known to have been a little bit of a ripoff.
Speaker 1:You leave bad omens alone. I'm going to leave them alone.
Speaker 5:I'm a big fan. I love them. I really do. They're drummers from where I live at Like that's, yeah, I'm a big fan of them.
Speaker 2:I mean, the band itself is from Richmond, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 5:So right down, right down our street, but what they're what they're doing, and not that they're a ripoff. I've read that they're a ripoff, but what they're doing with going through that, that, that that that path of just blending different genres, like you can go from straight screaming to having like an insane melody and just like rips your heart out, like you know. Having that sort of pull to people where you can cater to almost any type of audience is, I think, something that is. It's crucial in this, this scene, especially where you get a lot of like, you know, not really feeling that tonight, you know. So finding a little bit that can reach everybody is an important piece.
Speaker 2:So I mean, look at a data, remember, they've been doing it on every single one of their albums they have ever put out. And they're not just metalcore, they're not just yeah, easycore, they're not pop punk, they are that perfect blend of like you have. You know, mr Highway don't, doesn't care Like that song is metalcore through and through. But then you jump into if it means a lot to you and that song's just nothing but melody. That's like you know more of their pop punk side. And then you jump into, like the, the plot to bomb the panhandle, and that's a good mixture.
Speaker 1:Like See, for me, like I know, like, yes, I am well known to be a fan of the 80s metal. Obviously you know. But I will say like I love a lot of the modern stuff too. Obviously you know. Like to me, for me, breaking Benjamin is one of my favorites. Fucking love breaking. Oh, come on.
Speaker 5:They're amazing.
Speaker 1:They haven't done anything wrong. I feel like Benjamin Burnley is a sweetheart and I would like to have a beer with him.
Speaker 2:Have, you like, actually seen them live. Yes, their live show is garbage. How dare you. I will never go see Breaking Benjamin in concert again. I will go see Five Finger Death Punch before I go see Breaking Benjamin again.
Speaker 1:Now, five Finger Death Punch is pretty bad. Live. I saw him at Blue Ridge when we played there and it was. They were atrocious, like Ivan Moody was like forgetting his lyrics. I mean, I've read it, I saw them.
Speaker 2:I saw them open for Breaking Benjamin and I would have rather to see them headline the show than Breaking Benjamin.
Speaker 1:Breaking Benjamin played the show like a fucking. I love Breaking Benjamin, and I saw them at Blue Ridge too. I loved them.
Speaker 2:I love their albums. They are a very album band, but I don't think it generates to the stage as a fan.
Speaker 1:I can see that. I can definitely see that. You know there's definitely a difference when you see bands like Breaking Benjamin versus when you see bands like Corn Live. You know there's definitely a difference.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and like the albums, you know there's always bands that are super studio focused. I think that that is something that is worthy of understanding. Because you know what I mean, because we try to bring a lot of it to stage and we're working on, you know, in the studio as well, like that perfect one that Jeff was talking about, like that's something that I think that we all really want to like, accomplish. Just like, you know, every song is different, while somehow still remaining its authenticity between all four of us.
Speaker 4:Yeah, so do you think it's better to be bad on stage and good in the studio, or good in the studio and bad on stage?
Speaker 1:I prefer to be good on stage.
Speaker 3:I think that it needs to be a blend of both. Yes, yeah.
Speaker 1:But if I, if somebody, I agree with that. But if somebody held a gun to my head and said, you choose, you bitch ass motherfucker. You have to choose between bad on stage and good in the studio, or good on stage and bad in the studio. I'm going good on stage every time because performances live performances connect with people in a way that nobody can really comprehend.
Speaker 5:And I feel like we have songs that I think like musically they sound great in the studio and there's some songs that we've worked on that on stage you know, every show might not be like the perfect fit for our energy that we put off because we're a very, very high energy. You know performance Like you come see us, like you're getting down with us. So to do that on every single song in the studio it's a little bit repetitive and it's a little bit tough to do, but we also like to do that, so we'll write songs like that. So I feel like there's a time and place for everything.
Speaker 2:So 100 percent. I mean, ok, like outside, looking in as a fan, right, like I'm not a musician, but I've been listening to music my whole fucking life, right? I watched Bad Omen's open for Beartooth and Adate, remember, last year, and Bad Omen's was the best set of that show 100 percent, through and through. The opener stole the show. Go to Blu-ray Drockfest last year. Watch Bad Omen's again. I would have rather seen them on the main stage than see Slipknot on the main stage, because Bad Omen's kills it every single time.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah. It's definitely important to be good on stage. I saw Metallica in 2017 and their live show even in their fifties. I mean they are fucking outstanding. Still it's, it's unbelievable.
Speaker 4:I wish bands like in this area had enough money to go to like a real studio. You know what I mean, Because a lot of bands they don't go to a studio that's like professional. A lot of them like try to do it theirself.
Speaker 3:Yes, usually home.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I mean.
Speaker 2:I mean honestly, like you do have quite a few people in this area right now that are trying to build up professional studios, like Big J with Darkville, Stefan and Tyler from. Future to Claim. And then Sam Silver from Robby's Boys and Tim Campbell from Vocal Inc.
Speaker 1:He's awesome. He did our first album and you know, our old singer used to bitch about the quality and I'm like, well, dude you, you told us we had to dump eight tracks on him and to get it done as soon as possible. Yeah, it's not going to be great because you rushed them, you know, but he, he does solid work, man, tim does solid work.
Speaker 3:So and thinking about the whole like idea as well, with, you know, the blend of like Studio and Live. The last show that I saw was Brissy Maroney and Rainbow Kid in Surprise, and I feel like, at least with the indie scene, I feel like it's not exactly energetic in terms of stage presence, but whenever they're delivering the songs live, it's like the studio stuff is fucking phenomenal, and then when they go on a live they add their own like twists and shit and it's like really cool and I feel like the thing is with. That is like. It's also, like I said, to reinforce that blend. You know what I mean Like instead of sort of being crazy and in like super active, because the music doesn't really call for that when it comes to indie stuff, but at least not all the time. But you know, I think that what I'm trying to get to is more so that like it transcends what was trying to be delivered in the studio, and I think that that's something that I also like to do, like with our new song Fybh. It's not I don't really jump around a lot. I'll, you know, I'll sit down and I'll like I'll look at the fans and I'll like go and sing to them like while I'm walking around, like on the floor, and then I'll get back on stage. Like I like to blend that sort of idea where what we made in the studio right, we can make it have even more of an impact on stage but still remaining that studio quality, if not even elaborating on to the studio quality.
Speaker 2:Did you see what Ali's been doing this whole tour? Yeah, whenever they do drown, he literally gets off stage and walks all the way back to lawn in these amphitheaters Damn, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 5:Like, yeah, what he's doing. I think it kind of resonates with what we try to do with with Fybh, for example. That song takes you on a journey Like it tells a story. If you listen to the lyrics, if you listen to the instrumentals, the way it goes through a story, it's almost like you can close your eyes. You can just. It's like a movie going off in your head. And that's something I think that when we play live, you know we want to, we want to have that really fun, energetic, like that's our you know, 30, 45 minutes or an hour to grab the attention and make somebody want to come back and see us or make somebody you know want to come back to the back and meet us. So we try to get a little bit of all of that you know sort of in a performance. But you know one of those songs it's like some songs you just want somebody to close their eyes and just picture whatever it is that comes to their mind. Sure, yeah.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and I think a valuable thing for that is that you know the energy and stuff from the 80s bands and like the sort of the stuff that we do on our heavier songs. You know we do really try to like, like, really push that, like energy mainly. But I think it's a lot of. You know, as time's been going on, there's a lot of emotional connection with music now and not necessarily like fuck, yeah, I feel good, I'm going to drink a beer and dance, you know what I mean. Like, I feel like there's a lot of music now that's getting pumped out, that's more so disposed to, you know, really hit your heart and make you feel less alone in what's going on in your life. You know, and that's one thing that, like FYBH, for example, that was the first, that was one of the first songs that me and Jeff wrote together and with the new lineup, that was like one of the very first songs that we wrote with the new lineup and it was me and it was me and Jeff that wrote that song. So I think that, like he said, like that direction that we're going in with the whole, like we still have our fucking bangers, you know that just make people, everyone, you know, makes everyone want to just dance around and have a fucking great time. But I feel like, like I said, just that balance, you know. Having that, you know, like he said, just close your eyes and drift off and feel like. You know, maybe I didn't feel so alone whenever I was feeling this, and that's that's usually how I view music. You know, before I joined this band, I was with my old lineup in Paradise of Blaze and it was all about the music. You know what I mean. That's how it's always been with that band. It's always been just about the music specifically, not really the show or just making the music so that everyone else can feel less alone and make people feel like you know. You know, maybe I didn't feel so desolate and lost because now I know that it was shared. You know, and that's the thing with music for me is that, like I've been a music guy since I was nine years old, you know, I've never, ever, once, ever taken a break from music, and music to me is something that is so much more intimate and ethereal, mentally and emotionally. I'm very emotionally connected with music.
Speaker 2:So so I can take and put Breaking Benjamin's dear act in the album. The reason I can't listen to that album anymore Is I listen the fuck out of it to get me through my great-grandmother diet. So like I Fucked myself on listening to one of the best breaking Benjamin albums that they ever put out. Because I, because that whole album is just emotions. There's so much emotion in all them songs, I mean and that's another reason I'm a huge fan of the amity affliction, like bro, don't lean on me, pittsburgh, all my friend. I mean a fuck, not without my ghost. Like literally all their songs are just pure emotion.
Speaker 5:Yeah, like every album, you almost like see the album cover and it takes you back to that like stage of your life that you, that you were currently in when you know it helped out till this down, just to come, just to come a bit more Whenever you're talking, just to get you a little bit better, because I'm shorter.
Speaker 1:Yeah, cuz you're, cuz you're like two feet, two foot tall.
Speaker 3:Yeah, but that you know, and that also, that also feel like. In my opinion, that also breeds like super loyal fans. You know, like you know, it was always about the fucking feel good in the adrenaline, but now it's like you know, shit fucking sucks. You know, I mean like life isn't fucking easy. It's not all about having a good time like ever. You know, I'm saying like having a good time is once in a fucking lifetime. You know and you got a fucking grind your life and you got a fucking push your heart into a fucking mush to get through shit, and I think that that's what breeds such loyal fans is like whenever they feel like Shit. Well, my fucking heart feels like mush too. So you know, like maybe we could get through this together. And then you know, you know, when you run through an album and you're like fuck, I can't listen to this anymore. It's exhausting, you know, it makes me, takes me right back to that place where I was so fucking empty.
Speaker 2:Bro, I hop in my car on a daily basis. It's either coming home from work or Going to work. On my case here, he played the amity affliction and then just start driving.
Speaker 3:Yeah, exactly, and that's what I mean. You know what I mean.
Speaker 2:It's like that's that connection that's just built, you know you know, okay so I'll give a backstory on my Fandom of the amity affliction. So I've always known the song Pittsburgh but never knew it was the amity affliction, right. So someone plays it while we're hanging out at the campsite of Blue Ridge last year and I'm like, who's this? Like the amity affliction. So I start listening to the discography. This is September of last year. By the end of the year, my Apple music recap, the top two bands I listened to was dinosaurs in Paris Was number two and the amity affliction was number one. Like, and I listen to music on a daily fucking basis. You know what I mean. Yeah, so to just find, you know, just figure out who a band is in September, and they be your number one. Listen to artists, yeah, by the end of the year is insane. Yeah so many hours put into listening to them.
Speaker 1:Well, you know, and that's that's the thing is like. It's like he said, you know, certain bands have have certain connections to certain people. Like I've been, I've been leaning heavily on on making music Because this month has been hell for me. Like you know, I've been through a lot of shit this month that I just not gonna get into, but the main thing that's really been, you know, getting to me is just the fact that people that I thought were my friends Turn out are not my friends because they do, you know, fucked up shit behind my back, they talk shit behind my back or they say all this you know. And then you know Names of people that everybody here sitting at this table know. You know that I'm not. I'm not gonna say, just because you know I'm not gonna be that guy or anything, the peace, yeah, fuck the peace, I don't care.
Speaker 2:I just like I want that smoke but you should walk up to him, pull your pants on, say we fucking are fighting. I mean, shit.
Speaker 1:Nobody wants to fight naked guy. You be. You'd be surprised at how many big dudes are afraid of a little pecker. Oh, but, but for me it's like you know these, like I said, these are people that I'm like that come up to me at our shows and stuff. And you know, I hate to say it like this because you know it definitely it definitely nerves it down, but these are people that are musicians in the area that I thought were my friends, that are just like you know. They come up to me and shows hey man, how you doing. Man, you know you're my friend, you're my boy, and then you know the next thing I know I'm hearing from people that are actually close friends of mine that are like, hey, like this dude was talking major shit about you, saying all this about you, I'm like the fuck man, like Fuck that shit. So it's been a couple of people that kind of really hurt my feelings because I thought we were really cool. So like With the, with that on top of everything else that's been happening to me this month, it's just I've been relying heavily on making music in Cannon Hill.
Speaker 4:So you got to keep your circle small like that's the thing is.
Speaker 1:I usually do that. I wouldn't consider them to be like my best friends, yeah.
Speaker 4:That's. I don't even talk to anybody, I'm just like.
Speaker 3:That's actually a fact, and I was the most quiet one out of all four of us and I'm gonna make it known to any.
Speaker 4:As much as these two motherfuckers talk, I don't need to say a word, because they are always talking all the time and I just listen and absorb and Take it in.
Speaker 2:All I got to say about what you said. If someone gets offended by you saying that, if the shoe fits fucking where, yeah.
Speaker 1:Well, and that's and here's the thing too is I'm gonna tell, I'm gonna make sure any of the musicians in the area that are Gonna watch this episode or listen to this episode, I'm gonna tell you. If you come up to me and you say, and you say like, hey, how you doing? And I don't say a word to you, I just look at you just that's why that means I heard what you said, because I pretty, I pretty sure I hear everything. I hear everything.
Speaker 3:Yeah, but like Dakota, just like observing stuff and just like listening to things. He also makes the best ideas, because Me and Maverick are like super fucking impulsive sometimes, are like what the fuck? We get like pressed about shit so easily. Jeff's just fucking there like he's. He's the merch guy. Listen, I'm just giving him props. This guy's sold more shirts than all of us. Come on, you gotta give him credit there.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he sold all of our shirts at at rock the pan handle to little fuckers got charisma yeah, I, I'm basically their therapist.
Speaker 4:Whenever they have a problem, they come to me and I try to solve it with him.
Speaker 1:He's the most level-headed in the group. I am hot headed shit.
Speaker 2:Go ahead, piss me off. I need to ask how is it being level-headed.
Speaker 4:It's fucking annoying as shit because, like, I'm just, I'm just trying to be calm, you know, and I'm listening to everything they're getting worked up about. That should not be worked up about at all. It's just, they just Things that should not be as big of a deal as it is. For some reason, with these two it is and I just have to like tell them that it's not that big of a deal and to just Chill. It's like it's for me. It's like it's like what 21 Savage said I don't need no gun.
Speaker 1:I beat the shit out of one of these days, man.
Speaker 2:So like I'm, pretty sure that like I got a touch of the Tism, so so, but like I feel both y'all cuz, like there's some like super small shit that gets me really pressed as a person. Exactly, right, yeah or, you know, maybe just you know my ADHD brain, you know, touch the Tism ADHD brain, whatever it is.
Speaker 1:Yeah, um, maybe that's what it is, or maybe I'm just a got a lot shorter of using what in the fuck I thought I've had my whole life and the crazy thing is is like he has to keep because, because a lot of times when Something happens to me like somebody else did, immediately my instinct is we're gonna confront this guy, I'm gonna say something to this guy and he's always to code, is always the one that's like no, don't do that, that's a bad idea.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and on my end it's like I get high-headed about shit, but I'm always thinking about the long play.
Speaker 5:So he's like. He's like, fuck the long way.
Speaker 3:No diplomacy first, but we'll find a way to be assholes later fuck that.
Speaker 1:I want to be an asshole now.
Speaker 4:No, it's like it. So like, say, someone looks at him wrong, right, and he's he's had a few and he's automatically just what's this dudes problem? I'm like he was just looking in your general direction.
Speaker 1:And I'll be like fuck you. Looking at.
Speaker 2:Dude, I do. I'm a straight.
Speaker 1:Just start Looking at me well, it's different, I know you bro.
Speaker 2:No, I'm just gonna start giving you side-eye every time I see you.
Speaker 1:No, cuz, cuz. I know you. I'm gonna be like did I do something? He's just so paranoid about stuff, paranoid it's just if you've got a problem, if you've got a problem.
Speaker 4:let me say it no, you're paranoid, you're definitely.
Speaker 5:Stop paranoid he's prone to take a lot of things personally, very, very, oh, it's a code. As the drummer, I feel part of what his job is is to Be the person who's got your phone. Who makes you wait five minutes before you send that text. I'm like he's that guy and I think he keeps us out of a lot of trouble.
Speaker 1:Keeps me out of a lot of trouble.
Speaker 5:Okay, yeah, I wasn't gonna name names, but you can bitch, you know he definitely like makes us wait a couple minutes before we say something, even between ourselves. Like you know, you got four. You got four dudes who are we're all instrumentalists. You know we all love to take, you know, ownership of our craft and a lot of times, you know Especially, we're coming up with a song. How do we want to go about it? You know how do we want to go about playing a show. How do we want to run the settlers? You know how do we want to approach things. To get four guys all in the same page can be a little bit difficult at times, as you could imagine. So to have sort of a lot drastically different of personalities and a lot drastically different Opinions on things, it's really good to kind of have that balance and I think that you know, to code is sort of like the, the godfather per se, or you know, the the wise one, who often like you know, Makes us like reconsider wise wizard in gray yeah it's now.
Speaker 1:I'm sorry, though, to code. I love you to death, but sometimes I do think I'm justified and I don't care what you like like that. That whole situation that happened at the seven moons event I was justified, okay. Well, anyone say, yeah, I know you were.
Speaker 4:Drunk and you don't remember. Yeah, I don't remember that one.
Speaker 3:But I was justified in that one and I think that sometimes it's hard for us to grasp. But Jeff is usually the humbling one. He's like no brother, that's shit, like that's garbage, and I'm like. And then me and Tyler like, what the fuck? But because we're just the first to hop onto shit, I Will punch you in the throat. Listen man, this is a down. This is it. Like I forgot Maverick.
Speaker 1:Yes, god damn it. I mean it's already out now Fuck, who cares this point? Listen dude honestly like no, my name is lame.
Speaker 3:Okay, yeah, but like no one's saying your last name though.
Speaker 1:I mean yes, but they're, gonna they're gonna figure it out. Yeah, fuck you. All right, my family name. We are a long line of proud alcoholics.
Speaker 5:Sir, the lame part is coming up with your own nickname.
Speaker 3:No stage name okay, hold up hold up stage name.
Speaker 2:Did you get it from watching top gun?
Speaker 1:No, everybody asked me that I got it, so my middle name is actually Michael. That's my middle name, and so a long time ago actually. Back when back when we were a hair metal band called unchained, I went by Michael Saturn because I saw Saturn car and I was like that sounds kind of glammy. I was also. I was also, you know, I Was in a weird spot in my life. I'll just put it that way to not touch on crazy shit. But Then so my ideas were all shit. So Then, as time went on, I was smoking Maverick cigarettes because I was in upstate New York and they were, and cigarettes were expensive as shit and I can only afford the Mavericks. So I was like fuck this, I Am gonna go by Michael Maverick because I think that sounds cooler and I think it does sound cool.
Speaker 2:Honestly, I think watching top gun would have been a lot cooler.
Speaker 1:Then make up your own backstory. I'm not dude, I'm just playing with you. I know, no, I got you, yeah, but yeah, I like. It's like they were saying to code is definitely the, he's definitely the equalizer. When it comes to Especially me, because you know, a lot of times he has talked me down from doing a lot of dumb shit. It's the Maverick whisperer, that's what I mean, I mean.
Speaker 2:I wouldn't call him the equalizer, because you know the last thing that came out, where someone was calling equalizer Jason State, that was a pretty bad motherfucker.
Speaker 1:Okay, fair enough, yeah, fair enough.
Speaker 3:He's grounding, he's, he's very.
Speaker 4:It seems to be like I'm the only person that can get stuff through to him.
Speaker 3:For some reason, I've been working on it though, because we've him at a talk and it's been really beneficial. I mean, we've we've grown a little closer throughout the time, just because, you know, we're usually the first to open front talking to the fans.
Speaker 2:You know, because we're the fucking blabbermouth and yeah, no, dude, you can't get fucking Maverick, shut the fuck up.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I know it's bad, I'm not gonna deny that, especially when he's pissed off.
Speaker 3:It doesn't shut the fuck up, eat it at all, no thanks, but anyway, no, I mean it's. It's about, you know, a thing that I feel. I feel like there's a thing that, like bands, majority of the time, kind of overlook, is that you can't just you know, even though the business side of things is really important to try, and you know, capitalize off of the work that you're putting in. But, like the thing is is that I just it's hit a point where it's like you know you can't, you can't be in a band with a bunch of like. You can't be in a band and then not be friends, mm-hmm, and that's something that is. That is, I feel like, heavily overlooked. I feel like that's why a lot of bands like breakup or there's always conflict, because everyone just starts to weigh too much into the like. Well, we have to do this together because we have a business to run. You know, of course, there's a time and a place for that, but I feel like making like actual friendships and like bonding with these people is really important Because it also shows in the music too. And, you know, the more chemistry like, the more platonic chemistry that you have in the band, the more chemistry you have on stage, you know, and it's just better to know who you're gonna be with for a while, you know, I mean who you're gonna be running a band with for a really long time. It's something that I just feel like is it's come to a point where everyone knows there's so many people that want to do music that they're like well, we need to make business plans, we got to do this, this and that and we got to like, make sure that we have the, the exact strategic like way that we need to do things. I feel like it's been after, after a long time, with so many bands, you know, making it, or bands some so many bands not making it, it's just come to a point where it's like, well, obviously, well, friendship doesn't work, so we just need to be like we have to make a basically a business deal about this and it's just, it just kind of gets. It just gets shitty Because it's like it. Then I can't have fun at least me. I'm a really big person on like making friendships and like bonds and you know like.
Speaker 4:And he is good with that too, like we've got and a lot more people that come out to our shows Just because he will try to have like a heart-to-heart or like a connection with them, like he, like each individual fan he'll go up to and he'll shake their hand and it'll come out. You know, thank him for commenting all this stuff and have conversations with him. He's really good at that and it's I think that is like one of the most beneficial things in a frontman is just to be Open and Welcoming to other people.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I mean the thing is, is that, like you know, obviously you have to have the time and place for a business, obviously, like I can't argue that, yeah, but like it comes to a point where it's like you know, if I was on the receiving end of that and I was like following a band and it seems super transactional sometimes it's like, oh, come see me and then you leave. You know what I mean. It's like that's not the point of music, at least from my opinion. You know, the point of music to me isn't just to be like I'm good, come support me, maybe you can follow us through time. You know what I mean. It's like it's more so about like Bro, we made a bond through this music. I've created this for you, you can resonate with it. You know I've created this for myself and I've created it for us. You know what I mean. It's it's ours to share and I feel like there's a sense of community that needs to be really important with fans, and I think that's that's another thing that, like that, I just I really, I just really admire because it's like it. Just if I was on the receiving end of that, I would just feel like, oh well, they just want me to pay them if I'm gonna be honest, this is the best version of cannon hill I've ever seen.
Speaker 1:Well, like this lineup. Yeah, yeah, I agree now well.
Speaker 2:So like, yeah, like, like, this lineup of cannon hill is the best I've seen, so I saw you all back in All fuck. I'm pretty sure it was a show at granny's in 2020.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:I was the first starting up.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that was yeah tail into 2020 was like beginning of cannon hill yeah cuz like y'all had the like road sign yeah, on stage with you. Yeah, the road sign that we borrowed from the state of West Virginia.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, so like so, like I, I saw that version of y'all, which it wasn't bad. It wasn't great, it was I. You know what I mean. Yeah, yeah, no, I agree with you, but the stage presence was there. And then I saw y'all not too long after y'all came on the show last time. Yeah, getting a little better. Well, like the lineup y'all got now. Best version of cannon hill I definitely got to agree with that.
Speaker 1:We have definitely ramped up our live show lately, like things that like Appalachian Rockfest. This motherfucker was shooting confetti.
Speaker 5:And the funny thing is, too, is dale.
Speaker 1:Dale came up to me. He was like the confetti was a great idea, he said, but the thing is we're responsible for cleaning it up. He said so I watched you guys do it and he said oh shit confetti, oh shit confetti.
Speaker 3:No, and it really means a lot because you know it's been really fucking hard to try and get on the same page, like honestly, there was a really rough patch where I was like everyone was kind of like fucking hostile with each other and it was like really volatile. It was like a fucking. It was like a fucking, like it was literally like A fucking bottle rocket waiting to explode like dude.
Speaker 2:You should have just offered to beat their dick with both hands.
Speaker 1:No but it's like 21 Jump Street. You want me to beat your dick off?
Speaker 3:But I mean, I think that majority of it came from just the, the Dissonance between me and Tyler's view on how we wanted the sound to be, and it was, it was, it was rough, you know, I don't know.
Speaker 2:I beat you with both hands well and the the crazy.
Speaker 1:The craziest part of of like me and Trent is the fact that, like I'm a big metalhead man I am a metalhead like throwing through and I'm not talking about metalhead Is in like death metal and like grind core. First of all, fuck grind core. I don't care what anyone says, fuck grind. What about crab core? I don't know what that is, but if I I'll put it to you this way if I can't, if I can't read your fucking logo, I'm probably gonna hate your band. You know, and that's, and and that's not a personal shot. So do you hate lorna shore? I don't like lorna shore.
Speaker 2:What about slaughter to prevail?
Speaker 1:I like them. I do like slaughter to prevail. They're pretty awesome.
Speaker 2:But see, I just like proved what you just said false. Okay, you know, I said probably, I said probably.
Speaker 1:But, um, like, when it comes to that, like I feel like we have had enough Death metal bands with logos we can't read, we've had enough. Please stop. Please fucking stop. Like I get it Okay, like people like it 100, and I'm not gonna knock what you like. I like fucking nickel back, dude. Like you cannot, yeah, I like nickel back. Go ahead, shit on me, I don't care. 40 million albums does not lie.
Speaker 2:But why would I shit on you for like one of the greatest dad rock bands to ever fucking do it?
Speaker 1:Nickel backs the fucking shit and I I'm sorry I miss the memo where the guys who have never had a sexual assault allegation, never had like never, never really done anything crazy in the news, never, never been known to do anything like Overtly disgusting like you know, like severely racial shit or anything like that. They're like clean as far as the media goes and everybody still fucking hates them.
Speaker 2:So so there was a stretch in my life where I couldn't stand them, but it was because, uh, chad was beefing with Corey Taylor and I was like slipping, I was my favorite band. So I was like man, fuck, nickel back.
Speaker 1:I, I like nickel back because they like their music is catchy, it's fun and it's a good time. Like you, you, okay, I don't care how bad you hate nickel back. I dare you to put on rock star and count the motherfuckers that sing along and you look at a nickel back crowd like you, look at their crowds and they're huge and you're pointing to the crowd You're going. All these motherfuckers are liars right here. These are all people that say they hate nickel back.
Speaker 2:I mean, I'm gonna be honest with you. Rock stars are one song that if fits being played, I'm skipping the channel.
Speaker 1:Really I don't mind that one. For me that's photograph, photograph pisses me off. I hate that song.
Speaker 2:Honestly, I think rock star was more overplayed than photograph.
Speaker 1:I think, I think the dark horse album is their best album for me. I love dark horse now silver side up was really good too. Silver side up was really good. What do you think? All the right reasons, all the right reasons was a good out too, mostly because it has a dime bag riff on it, because dime bag or Vinnie well, technically dime bag gave it to chat kruger, but chat kruger he used it. He used it because Vinnie Paul gave him permission. Oh man, which I'm sorry if Dyback likes you, you're good in my book.
Speaker 2:So in my opinion, it's between Silver Side Up and all the right reasons.
Speaker 1:I got both of them right. Look at that.
Speaker 2:But I'm not going to lie, they're get rolling. Get rolling is great, is like kind of up there.
Speaker 1:It's a great album. My favorite one off that album is Vegas Bomb man. I like again I don't understand why everybody shits on Nickelback Like, ok, you want to shit all over falling in reverse, go ahead, they suck. Ronnie Racky get the fuck out of here. Come on, come on, you know, but in terms of you're going to sit there and tell me Bad Girls Club is a good song.
Speaker 2:That's a fucking banger Fuck out.
Speaker 1:You have to line your teeth. Y'all are lying through your teeth. No but he said Ali Ali oxenfree in the song Suck my dick, get the fuck out of here.
Speaker 3:No, I know Black Horse has absolutely nothing to do with Def Tones, but a similar title it's kind of opposite is like White Pony by Def Tones. Ok, this guy doesn't like Def Tones.
Speaker 2:It's not that I hate them, I'm just not their style doesn't suit me, really I'm a huge Def Tones fan and I respect Def Tones, I do.
Speaker 1:Chino is a great vocalist, great vocalist. They are a very talented band.
Speaker 3:Abe Cunningham is a fucking great drummer. 100 percent he is, but honestly, though like he's very talented band, I never really got on the Def Tones train until I started Paradise of Blaze back up and I met Caden, and Caden is the drummer.
Speaker 1:Different Caden, by the way, not bitch ass Caden.
Speaker 3:Hawkins is his name.
Speaker 1:Bitch ass Caden Rosemary.
Speaker 3:But God damn.
Speaker 2:Holy fuck.
Speaker 1:Oh, I don't give a fuck. I want that he disrespected my sister. I don't give a fuck, it'll be okay.
Speaker 3:But no. So like he's always been a really big guy in the Def Tones, like loves them to death and I never really got into them, but like whenever I started listening to it, like I've always loved Indie and I've always loved rock and I feel like shoe gaze is a really good blend of that and so that's. I think that that's one of my favorite albums Like that's ever been released.
Speaker 1:Sorry, sorry. By the way, sorry for name dropping, but I had to throw that one in there. I just had to.
Speaker 2:I need to bring it back, though, to like talking mad shit on falling in reverse. Okay, all right. How can you shit on Ronnie Ratke? Outside of him being a dickhead. How can you shit on him as a?
Speaker 1:artist he. The way he pronounces his words makes me want to punch a baby.
Speaker 5:I mean I pray to.
Speaker 1:God, I'm not in a nursery when somebody plays falling in reverse because I'm going on a baby punching spree.
Speaker 2:So, so so Ronnie Ratke went and was the front man for one of the most influential bands ever. Escape the fate.
Speaker 3:That's my. That's my favorite version of Ronnie Ratke.
Speaker 2:Yeah, turn around, you know, get into a shit, go to jail, do rehab, get clean. Turns around brings in falling in reverse, deals with all the controversy throughout life and then stay sober through all of it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, no, I'm not going to Defend more, so as a person as a person. No, I can't I fucking champ. As a person, yeah, no, I can't like, I can't sit in your shit on him like that. It turns into individual strength.
Speaker 3:That guy's fucking shit.
Speaker 1:But as a vocalist and as a band, I really think falling in reverse is fucking terrible, and and and that's just me, though, again, that's an opinion that that's. That's the thing. Music is subjective.
Speaker 5:This is why we have a Dakota.
Speaker 4:Yeah, this is exactly why I'm in the band.
Speaker 3:That's not why you're in the band, nothing to do with skill.
Speaker 4:Shut the fuck up.
Speaker 3:It's all about mediation.
Speaker 4:What was that dude? That dude's name? I'm the. The one Metallica was having like their troubles and they had a therapist. I'm that guy.
Speaker 3:But also a thing that I would like to say as well is that, like you talk up Nickelback about how like well, all these records don't lie. That applies to like every band that you shit on, I agree.
Speaker 2:No.
Speaker 1:I'm going to sit there and tell you that's the thing is. I will never say that the dude, that those guys aren't talented or successful. I will never say that because that's not true.
Speaker 5:Ronnie Racky is talented.
Speaker 1:I just, I think in my opinion fucking terrible Huh.
Speaker 2:So he's also fucking paid.
Speaker 1:He is paid. I'll give him that, no, no no, no, like the WWW wrestler page he's tagging her. Oh, what I was like yeah, he's got money, but bro, he's tagging page Get the fuck out of here.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, like committed relationship tagging page and I'm just like that.
Speaker 1:So wait, I'm sorry, I have full faith that could whip Ronnie Racky's ass. So she's single, I don't know about that, bro.
Speaker 3:I mean he went to jail for being a show.
Speaker 4:Don't fuck that guy. If he hears this, he's going to get his dad's biker game.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, please, I already fucked up a biker gang. Bring him on.
Speaker 3:Ronnie Racky's going to hear this and be like okay.
Speaker 1:I eat bikers for dinner.
Speaker 3:Michael Tyler Maverick as George O'Connell.
Speaker 1:I eat bikers for dinner.
Speaker 3:Honestly, ronnie Racky, if you ever stumble across this, please, please, I beat the life out of him.
Speaker 1:I beat the life out of him. I don't care. No, I'm kidding, I'm kidding, I would never. I like I'm again. I'm not going to, I'm joking, of course. I'm not going to sit there and fucking start a fucking fist fight with a dude over nothing. Well, I mean, okay, fair enough.
Speaker 5:Fair enough, you can walk that one back.
Speaker 1:You know what I? You get what the fuck I'm saying? It's comedic effect.
Speaker 4:I think we're all trying to get what you're saying.
Speaker 2:I am taking up your phone now.
Speaker 1:Thank you. Thank you, he gets it. It's comedic effect he is.
Speaker 4:He is a very he sucks, but he's not that bad. But he sucks, he's not that bad, fuck up. He's successful and I can't, I can't.
Speaker 1:I can't hate on him for being successful, but I can hate on him because I think his music sucks.
Speaker 2:That's honestly, dude, it sounds like he's like trying to suck his dick but like keep a distance. All right, all right. Amicable beef, what yeah?
Speaker 1:No that that that like.
Speaker 4:I don't care Like.
Speaker 1:I'm the type of guy I will say what I need to say to whoever, whenever. I don't care about that. But the thing is is you know, even though I'm hotheaded, even though I'm an angry motherfucker, I just told these two guys, like one of the guys that I have a problem with, I'm going to, I'm going to try and be respectful, sit in the desk and say hey, look, if I did something to you, I'm sorry and I would like to shake hands and be friends with it afterwards, but you should offer me a handy. I might do that, but but, like you know, if, if, if, hell, yeah, he does DC. I've been practicing on myself for years.
Speaker 2:What do you expect? No, but I do have a question in like in response to that Right.
Speaker 3:So, like, do you think that you could ever become as like, do you think you would have gotten to this point where you're like I'm going to handle this diploma like diplomatically without us, like genuinely, I'm not going to be able to handle this Without us like genuinely, I'm not trying to like like talk myself up or anything. I'm like genuinely asking because I know for a fucking fact that, like being around you all for me has really benefited me personally.
Speaker 1:For me it's situational right, like it used to be, just on site. I'm fucking you up, but I'm not going to lie Hanging around you, and Dakota has definitely leveled me out a little bit.
Speaker 2:You're definitely from Martinsburg, right.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm not, I'm from Gathersburg, but um these, from Martinsburg but I spent a good bit of my life in Martinsburg as well.
Speaker 3:But he grew up in Martinsburg. You got to answer your question, yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but the thing is the thing is with me, though, is it's like now it's kind of situational where, if I'm, if, if I feel like, if I feel like I wasn't like disrespected on it on a monumental level, I feel like we can sit down and just kind of like, hey, let's talk this out, let's grab a beer Like I'll, I'll, I'll level me and Gunner Heath we, you know Gunner Heath, right, Me and him used to me and him used to not get along. Like you know, me and him had it out Like we. We did not like each other one bit, but then I ran into him at Rock the Panhandle one year and I was like, look, dude, this is stupid, there's no reason for this. It was so long ago. Like you know, let's squash it, shake hands, whatever. And now me and him are cool, they all kiss and made up.
Speaker 2:I'm happy to kiss yeah.
Speaker 1:Kinda yeah, and you know what, though, and you know what's crazy too is, I never expected this, but at Appalachian Rockfest he complimented us and I was like see, there really is no hard feelings, and that's because when I ran into him, I came at him from a place of respect, and I think respect is a very big thing when you're, when you're dealing with situations like that is, you have to give respect to get respect, and I learned I hell I learned that as a correctional officer, you have to give respect to get respect, but at the same time, if you're going to be a complete piece of shit, if you're going to be a complete piece of shit, then you know there's nothing I can do for you.
Speaker 3:Jeff, what, what what?
Speaker 1:what happened? I'm sorry, what, what?
Speaker 5:Talk, jeff, I was just letting you go on your story. Tell us about your time as a CO.
Speaker 1:My time as a CO.
Speaker 5:More intrigue, but see what you were giving and getting back then.
Speaker 1:Shut the fuck up.
Speaker 3:Suck my dick?
Speaker 4:No, but it all serious. Well, he had to give respects to get respect.
Speaker 1:Shut the fuck up All y'all.
Speaker 2:Shut the fuck up.
Speaker 5:Is the term respect used synonymously with something?
Speaker 2:It's just, it's just, it's just, it's just. Obviously this is what Jeff does.
Speaker 3:It's great. No but in terms of like what he was talking about, like there's certain conflicts you can't ignore and that's not true Like there's certain things that you just have to act on. But for me it's like I would rather talk shit out with you first, like I have some. I have some personal stuff, personal beef with. I had some old members of the Paradise of Blaze, the old lineup, and just stupid high school bullshit drama. That really was just fucking moot completely. You know, everything was in my fucking favor and they still chose to be assholes. But like, for example, like that was something that I was willing to talk out. You know what I mean, but I can't talk out with them. You know what I mean Unless they don't want to.
Speaker 2:So question your old lineup. Were you all the same age Around my like?
Speaker 3:round same age. Yeah, so I was 16. The drummer was, I think, 15 and the bassist was 17 or 18, either one, because we were together for about a year. We actually opened for Cannon Hill in American Dharma the old lineup did. That's how I met these fucks. Wow, thanks, it was a compliment. You called me a fuck, yeah.
Speaker 2:You know what?
Speaker 3:That's because you are a fucking, fucking fuck.
Speaker 1:Exactly. You know, fuck, fuck, fuck Fuck. You're not gonna let the fuel I'm gonna have on your head.
Speaker 5:So one of the things I think that's cool about the band and when we brought Trent in, I think we definitely thought about, you know, there was a bit of an age gap between Trent and the rest of us yeah, you old mother, yeah, well, I say that as the oldest guy in the band. But, similar to like what we're talking about earlier with the musical background diversity, I think we do have a bit of diversity with where we all are in our lives, which is kind of fun, and we have a lot of diversity. As you know, I'm a dad. I've got like a 10 year old kid, like you know, going from that on a weekly basis. You know, going out and playing golf, going into the office, you know, going through that grind every day. And then it's like Saturday night rolls along and we all go to a show and we, you know, talk shit. You know we have a great time on stage and it's just such a complete difference. And then I also understand that, like part of what my role is is, as these guys are going to be on different stages in their life, like I've been fortunate enough to already have gone through some of those. So, yeah, so you're like the band dad. No, that's Dakota, no matter.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, no like.
Speaker 3:Dakota is the band. Grandpa Jeff's the band, dad, and then and then.
Speaker 4:Maverick is just.
Speaker 3:Maverick is just the weird guy that sleeps on the couch.
Speaker 1:No, I am the kid that that raises hell, the one that went out and hit mailboxes and shit.
Speaker 4:I used to do that, but then I grew up.
Speaker 1:Well.
Speaker 4:I don't do, I don't actually do it.
Speaker 1:I'm it's metaphorically, you, I think, cocksucker, but you know, again, I, am again. I'm one of those guys where I live my life. I live my life day by day because you never fucking know. I never fucking know when my last moment's going to be. Nobody knows.
Speaker 5:So fuck it, I'm going to do whatever the hell I want, and I'm going to do it when I want, and if anybody doesn't like it, I'm sorry, but it is what it is.
Speaker 3:I actually. I actually joined when I was freshly 17. So I turned 18 with them when they were all in their 20s.
Speaker 4:So it was, it was it was a little.
Speaker 3:It was a little, it was different, it was very not expected, I would say. There were so many people that would see me at shows and they would be like oh yeah, so like what is he like 2022? And I'd be like I'm 17 and they'd be like what the fuck? But I mean, I guess it's the height, I don't know. But no, it was really cool to just be able to like, still be able to hang with like what majority people just consider like real adults. You know what I mean Like, and so it was.
Speaker 4:It was nice to really feel welcome, especially with a bunch of people that were a lot older than me and you see, the thing, the weird thing is, right before he even joined, like I looked at Maverick and I was like we need a kid, someone we can take in kind of train and like you know what I mean.
Speaker 1:Like just be just awfully right now. I just want to let you know like this sounds like more like grooming.
Speaker 4:Okay, not what I meant. I meant I meant like like a kid, like 18, you know legal.
Speaker 1:Why is that?
Speaker 3:the ad review the adjective. You're making it worse.
Speaker 1:Stop, you're making it worse.
Speaker 3:No, he means someone that is young and spry and can add energy to the band.
Speaker 4:It has a lot of enthusiasm and it's serious. It sounds like he was trying to groom me.
Speaker 5:I think, what he also means and I think, I think, I think I see the point that you're trying to make?
Speaker 2:is that, he said, legal?
Speaker 1:That's how the fuck it said legal.
Speaker 5:Okay, let's let him talk. The point I think I think took it is trying to make is that, at the same time, it's almost like giving your, your kid, turns, like you know, 10, 11, 12, and you want them to get a dog because you want to see what that responsibility is like on them, or like, I think, in this case, maverick, you're the kid and Trent is the dog. He helps you grow a little bit. No, for real, though, but in all seriousness, and all seriousness. Like you know, I think you, coming into the band, I've always felt in a way like a bigger brother to you. And it's been a great experience to see that and, you know, growing up I had to. You know I had a kid pretty early. So I had to go through that stage where I was on a path that probably would not have turned out well and having a kid in a way, you know, helped me kind of figure out my path. Like, get your shit together, you know, go on and proceed to do good things. So I see what to go to say in a way where I think, like you know it was, like.
Speaker 4:What I meant to say was like so our old lineup was he was very, very on his own page, not on our page. You know what I mean.
Speaker 5:Yeah.
Speaker 4:So it was nice to have someone to come in and be like, hey, this is, this is what we're doing, this is what we want you to do, and just have him be like got it, challenge it a little bit, and then, and then, once he got it, he was like, well, this is what I can offer. And then we were like holy shit, like you know what I mean.
Speaker 5:Yeah, it was. It was kind of crazy early on, especially like and we've had, we've had to have folks you know as a, as a band before, where you know, I know, coming out of a you know a difficult situation when you know, as you, you too, as the founding members of the band, not only did you lose a bass player and then had me come in, but but we also lost our lead singers. So to have you to pull things through and, you know, pick up, you know the slack wherever world, world that was left off at, to not only bring me in new, so to bring in a new lead singer who's got to be the face of the band, who's got to be the one interacting with the fans the most, that's a big step. And you know, maverick, to your credit, you carried us through all of that for a long time, and now you've got this kid coming in here to take over those reins and be, you know, at least be our front man. So not only do we want to cultivate that confidence, not only do we want to cultivate the, the experience. That's not, you know, let's be honest, it's not there. So sit for you to step in at the same time and have to take those reins. You know, not against you, but like you've. You've had no other choice. It's not like Dakota's gonna be the one to be the front man. So I thought that was a really cool dynamic and the way that you guys have like fostered a relationship and a friendship and Been able to kind of like work together, I think, towards like what's the way that we can balance this out. And you know, in all fairness, you guys are both the alphas of the band. Like you are the most vocal, the most Opinionated, so it's good to see that, how you two can play off with each other and we get the best of both worlds, and that's why we're.
Speaker 4:It's literally like having a devil and an angel on your shoulder, and they're just like speaking in your ear.
Speaker 1:That's, that's that's what they're like. You need that balance because a lot of times, like, like I said, I'm hotheaded, I'm fucking. You know, if it gets down to it, you know, and I always, and I always make sure I tell you guys and everything and all my people, you know, no matter what, I'm gonna have your back if they can fit, you know. And yeah, I'm hotheaded, yeah, but I can be level-headed at times and you know it's all dependent on the situation, but you know it. It's kind of like, you know, this band, cannon Hill, were more, were more than just we're more than just friends, were more than just a band. We're a brotherhood, we take care of each other for sure.
Speaker 3:That's what it's all about and I think that was a really big responsibility to take on. You know, coming from Paradise of Blaze having nothing, it was also really coincidental and pretty fucking sick. How it worked out was like as soon as Paradise of Blaze like the old lineup broke up Literally two weeks later, they hit me up and like you want audition? And I was at a point where I was like I got to give up, like I don't have fucking anything anymore. You know what I mean. Like because I had this. I really that's my first love, paradise of Blaze, my baby. You know what I mean. So I, when I lost that, I was like well, what the fuck? You know what I mean, because my entire life of this music is what I wanted to do. You know I mean, for as long as I can remember, trauma aside, you know I've always fucking wanted this. You know what I'm saying. And then for them to take a fucking shot on me is like it's. It was a huge responsibility and I'm so fucking grateful for it because, dude, like I was, I was lost, like I seriously didn't know where the fuck to go, like I hadn't like, and the way it ended with the old lineup was fucking terrible, like Basically left and all of us with nothing. You know I'm saying so. It was like what the fuck am I supposed to do? You know, music is the only thing that matters to me. For so long I finally got what I wanted and and what, what it seemingly everyone in the band wanted, and then it was just fucking gone. So I was like whoa.
Speaker 2:Man like and. I get where you're coming from because, like I've been there Like, so, like growing up I've wrestled throughout high school. So you know, like once you wrestle your final, you know, once you're a senior in high school, you know you wrestle your last Wrestling match, or you play your last football game, play your last soccer match. There's a lot of kids that deal with that because you know that's been their love, you know, since they can remember, the one thing that I would tell you, that I would like to tell you, is there's always a chance to do it again, you feel me yeah like just cuz one thing ends doesn't mean there's not a new beginning, and you found that out very quickly.
Speaker 3:Exactly, yeah, and it was only because of them. So I'm like eternally grateful, Like I always remind them like seriously, like I'm just gonna say it here like thank you guys so much. Seriously, man, seriously.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I wasn't laughing at you. I was laughing to this motherfucker here trying to play footsie with me under the table. But yeah, no trend like we get you he's next.
Speaker 5:Well, I was just gonna tie that into our latest release, fybh, which in a way, like that whole journey that you went through With your last band and having to accept the fact that, like, okay, maybe that's not the thing anymore, maybe I need to move on and try something new. And in a way, you know, a lot of times, like we go through things in life that I feel like that's the end of the world. You know you get that stage, you know, you know your high school sweetheart breaks up with you and you're like how I've not pictured the rest of my life any other way. So it's hard to look past that and the next thing, you know, you know you join our band and you know we're, we're, we're moving along and doing great things. You don't even see it. It's in those moments, I think, that, um, life can surprise you at times, and it kind of went into that, that last song that we just recorded and released, where, you know, everybody has their own story. I feel like that kind of fits that template per se, and that was a really driving factor behind the lyrics, behind the music, is that we had, you know, a story that almost everybody could relate to. We've all kind of been through those sorts of things. So Not to still the thunder a little bit, but it's cool to, you know, see the different parallels where people can relate to that. So for sure, yeah, Back to you.
Speaker 1:Yeah, not yet. Sorry again if I talk too much, just tell me shut the fuck up.
Speaker 3:But that's the only way to do it from eat a dick.
Speaker 2:Hey, just go and shut the fuck up. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:I'm just kidding, but yeah, no, with with Trent, with Trent, and the thing is is, when I met him, I met him the reason that we ended up Finding out about each other being musicians is because he was working at Jersey Mike's and I was there with my now ex-girlfriend and I, like somebody, somebody had said something about streaming music and I was like, damn, as a musician, that hurts my soul. Don't stream music anymore by physical copies. You know, I was just joking around. He was like I'm a musician too, I'm in a band, and then we got the talking and then I added him on Facebook and then I hit him up about opening up for us and all that. Seeing how he's grown and progressed, not only as a musician but as a frontman, is is pretty. It's pretty cool to see. And God, what is wrong with you, jeff? What actually? You know what, both of y'all, I'm trying to have a heartfelt moment here. You are rooted, but now, like with with Trent, like seeing how he's progressed not only as a musician, not only as a frontman, not only, as you know, a singer, but just as a person, it's pretty cool to see because, you know, I kind of treat him like a little brother and I love him to death For sure, and the thing is it's kind of like a lost puppy, complex, like whenever they pulled me in because I was like like seriously hadn't let a lead, a fucking motivation to do anything anymore.
Speaker 4:You should have heard the other guys we had out for auditions oh buddy.
Speaker 2:Honestly, I would have loved to have came out and audition, just to get video of it. I'd be like like like, do like a teaser, like this is our new frontman, and then like have Trent come out out of nowhere? That would have been fucking hilarious.
Speaker 5:I would have been the best mr Beast video of all time. Like just having people come out and audition for a frontman job. It was. It was insane.
Speaker 1:Well, that was what we tried to do Just have people come out and audition, but like three people showed up and two of them sucked. No, yeah, be like that dog, I can't say okay, I can't say sucked. They had their strengths, they just there, they weren't suited.
Speaker 3:Not necessarily sucked, just didn't fit. They didn't we were looking for they didn't.
Speaker 4:They weren't suited to what we were looking for I say we now, and now that I'm in the band, but yeah, I was the one that actually Stuck my neck out for Trent, because it was like I think we were going back and forth like it was real fucking desperate too.
Speaker 3:You all were like yeah, like we were.
Speaker 4:We were scraping the bottom of the barrel and then we found kicking my legs.
Speaker 3:It's.
Speaker 4:ADHD. We found our pot of gold at the bottom of the barrel.
Speaker 1:Yep, yeah, this kid, this kid kills it, so we can try my fucking best.
Speaker 5:Fuck man, it's been a fucking ride, this hole so we're on a podcast and I feel impelled to talk about aliens a little bit.
Speaker 1:When I can I. He's been obsessed with it.
Speaker 5:He's been obsessed with. So let me tell brief. Back when I first joined the band I, I had no musical experience and I was looking to join a band. I had just started playing music, like a year or two before. Listen listen, I had heard these guys were looking for a bass player and they reached out to me. I was working at NASA at the time. Because I went there?
Speaker 3:because I was. We are they.
Speaker 5:I wanted to figure out if there were aliens and I've been watching the news all week and watching what. What is the channel Cc and bc or whatever where they're live streaming the congressional hearings and stuff? Man, let me tell you, life is really exciting right now.
Speaker 1:What a time to be alive. I'm sorry, I'm so.
Speaker 5:I'm gonna clap them alien cheeks Hear your thoughts on this.
Speaker 2:I mean, if you click time out, you ask me if it's okay to talk about aliens. Look at my leg Hang on.
Speaker 5:It's a little dark in here, so don't three titty bitches. What's up? Yeah, yes, oh man, we're gonna be friends I.
Speaker 2:Literally beat my meat to the fucking congressional hearing where they confirmed aliens. Yeah, I'm like fucking. Finally.
Speaker 3:I have a question, though what if that's not what aliens look like, and then you just look like a fool? How many?
Speaker 2:other people has an alien grim reaper on their leg that's actually no, I was just fucking with you.
Speaker 3:That is tough as shit.
Speaker 1:Well, so the thing is for me is like I've been saying it forever. I've always been like dude aliens are out there, and if you don't think they are, you're crazy. This universe is too fucking big. Like there's, there's no fucking way, we're the only ones.
Speaker 2:I'm gonna mic up closer to you. Yeah, there's no way. We're the only ones and I.
Speaker 1:I Always, always, was like yeah, there's no way. They and you know what? I think the reason that they didn't show up is Because think about it, okay, and I always got. I always think about what Joe Rogan said in his stand-up. Oh God this is what he said in his stand-up comedy. He said imagine if you went to the Amazon and you found a super advanced group of chimpanzees and all they have is rocket launchers and cell phones. The only thing they did all day long was take pictures of their dick and shoot each other in the face. You what would? What would you do Nothing. You'd stay far the fuck away from that.
Speaker 3:I feel like those chimpanzees are dopest fuck.
Speaker 1:I think that's what aliens do. But you know what, now that they visited us, now it's kind of scary. I don't know what's going on.
Speaker 2:I mean, okay, so here's where I'm at with aliens. I love them. They're real, 100% they're real. They're listen. Yeah, Before congressional hearings my proof was ancient Egypt, yes bro.
Speaker 3:Yes, the pierce on ancient Egypt, because I could talk forever. Look at this, look at this.
Speaker 2:Oh, God, take it off, take it off take it off.
Speaker 1:Swing it around your head like a helicopter.
Speaker 3:I usually have my scarab beetle necklace, but I unfortunately left it today. But right here I got an onk, bro, I Fucking okay, I've got. No too, you have an onk.
Speaker 2:Yeah, man, he's down with my grandparents, no but seriously, dude, okay.
Speaker 3:So before we get on his alien talk, like, I just want to say, okay, like this, this foxes me, okay, and this is something that I always think about, and it's like I don't like to get religious, but it's, it's influenced some of my sort of spiritual beliefs, right, everything goes back to fucking ancient Egypt.
Speaker 2:No, it goes further back than ancient.
Speaker 3:I'm saying, but I understand that, but I'm saying that when the recorded history Starts in ancient Egypt.
Speaker 1:Mess up a tamia dog.
Speaker 3:I understand that.
Speaker 2:What I'm saying is that, no, no, like recorded history, you can date religion back 3500 years before ancient Egypt.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like the Neanderthals.
Speaker 3:No. I'm aware of that I'm saying that the shit that's like written in hieroglyphics and like fucking like, everyone followed it, fucking 100%.
Speaker 2:Dude, dude, dude. Yeah, if you look at the scrolls, the Dead Sea Scrolls, they are dated back in the times of ancient Egypt, egypt, ancient Egyptian religion. Their mythology is Not the oldest recorded religion on tablet.
Speaker 3:No, I understand that.
Speaker 1:My point being is like I think he's saying that most like if you look at most modern things, like most modern Religions and belief systems, I think what he's saying is that a lot of it, a lot of derived from ancient Egypt.
Speaker 5:Yeah, a lot of it comes from ancient Egyptian culture.
Speaker 1:But I don't know, I'm not a historian, I'm not gonna sit here and pretend I'm a historian.
Speaker 3:But Did you take the microwave?
Speaker 2:But no, so like let's look at the hieroglyphics of UFOs. No, listen, this is like my alien talk.
Speaker 5:I've been trying to hear this for the last 10 minutes. So if you look at, If you look at Egyptian hieroglyphics.
Speaker 2:They depict flying Objects in the sky. That's not a Sun, it's like a platform fly like a cherry in the sky flying.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that's. That's what the point is.
Speaker 2:Um, let's go to um the fact that if you look at their hieroglyphics, they depict them having technology that shouldn't have been there at that time yeah watches cell phones. Right fucking rocket ships too. Yeah right, so now? So now let's jump into the pyramids. You're gonna sit here and tell me that it was just people that moved those massive-ass stones Thousands of kilometers.
Speaker 3:No, not a fucking all, and the geometry for the fucking pyramids is so advanced for those type of fucking people there's no way I'm genuinely like I started off strong in a wrong way. My point being is like the shit about aliens is most prominent in the fucking Egyptian stuff.
Speaker 2:Look at Aztec Mayan.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Aztecs too.
Speaker 2:Okay, here's the thing. Okay, how is it that we have the we, we in the ancient world, egyptians, aztec, mayans, how is it that you have people who are on complete opposite sides of the earth but has the similar, has a similar architecture, exactly yeah, I'm gonna play doubles advocate playing that I'm gonna play up.
Speaker 5:Okay, it's a pyramid. You put one thing on top of the other thing that can fit the whole way up. So wrong, sorry, liar.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, I'm gonna play that was advocate here for a second.
Speaker 5:The whole that is proof is a little far-fetched.
Speaker 2:No, I'm not saying that it's proof, I'm saying, like it's weird it is weird, you're right but what?
Speaker 5:what Does gets so like peeking my curiosity is like the images they find in caves and stuff like that, like, that's a little bit more.
Speaker 2:Well, I mean, let's get architecture right. Yeah, as a world, we are connected right now. Right, yeah, german architecture is different than American architecture, english architecture is different than American architecture. Fucking, german and English architecture is different, right, and we're connected world. So now you have people who weren't connected, had no idea who each other were Building these same architecture. Whenever you look at modern world, architecture is different and we're connected and we can see what this and that is. You know what I mean?
Speaker 5:I do, I do so.
Speaker 1:So a lot of people. And this is my thing with aliens, this is my big thing with aliens. Okay, and and everybody tries to combat me on this now I'm not. I'm not a religious person. Okay, everybody does. Everybody tries to combat, I fuck off. I'm not a religious person. Okay, I wouldn't consider myself to be somebody who believes and follows a specific. Now to say that a god does or doesn't exist 100%, like to just say it, no doubt in my mind, in my opinion, is naive, because anything's possible. But everybody always says that, oh, if aliens are 100% real, then that means God's not not real. You don't know that. You know. And the thing is is a lot of religious people are gonna deny the whole thing about aliens and all this, and it's like it's not necessarily the case. They can go hand in hand. Science and religion do go hand in hand, whether anybody wants to believe it or not religious people will spend it to say God did that, let's.
Speaker 5:Let's put that out.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no, yeah, but you know, that's the thing, though. Is this is what I'm gonna say too is this is where I'm gonna tie that in is, is it? And, like I said, to say that 100% there is not a God, I think is naive, because we don't fucking know.
Speaker 5:Maybe a guy will do this.
Speaker 1:We don't fucking know the world. Earth is too fucking perfect. A little more oxygen than what we currently have, we'd be dead. A little less oxygen, we'd be dead. So you know what I mean. It's all like that.
Speaker 2:Have you all ever heard that earth is actually a prison? Planet theory. Yes, I've heard that one that the Homo sapiens are just way too, were like way too violent on the planet they were from, so they were like fuck y'all, y'all are going here.
Speaker 1:Yeah yeah, I Think that's a possibility too. I mean, I also think we don't, then. We don't know, we don't know, we don't know shit.
Speaker 2:We don't know anything. There is no atmosphere here, dog, we're just under affirmament.
Speaker 4:What if it's just like the matrix?
Speaker 1:I Wait, have you all never seen the movie.
Speaker 2:Like, have you all ever seen the movie the Mandela effect? No, I've never seen the movie, but I've heard.
Speaker 1:I know what it is.
Speaker 2:I recommend you all watch that movie and then we will reconvene on the matrix, because it will really fuck your world up.
Speaker 3:I'll go ahead and watch it, I'm a conspiracy theorist, so here's the thing so like the one thing I will say is like, okay, so I, I understand the mythology is mythology. I understand this. I've said this with Michael Maverick too. I've said this is what we were driving home from shows and shit. I Find it hard to believe that there isn't some sort of weight in everything. You know, I'm saying, and every, every civilization Fucking ever, pretty much, has always had some sort of grouping of what they view as gods. Every single person of every single civilization fully believed in them and a hundred percent Just followed them. You know, and I just it's just, if there's so many Common themes across so many different countries, like it's not even close. You know, I mean like those are the things that I just feel like there's weight in every mythology, quote-unquote. You know, I mean like everything that has been reported Obviously can be disproven. Obviously, science I'm a big fucking science nerd, like I literally wanted to go to college for chemistry, so like that's if that shows a little bit about me and I graduate, I fucking passed the class with 110% a in in chemistry because I love Thanks.
Speaker 2:I was more like a human anatomy kind of science person.
Speaker 3:Well, chemistry goes into human anatomy.
Speaker 2:It does like I purposely took HAP in high school. That's awesome.
Speaker 3:But no, it's just like. It's just like. I just can't find this idea in which I, everything that was written about and everything that was recorded doesn't have some sort of weight.
Speaker 1:I'm gonna. I'm gonna agree and disagree. I think that. So religion, a long time ago, was used as a way to describe things that people didn't understand. There was a God, there was a reason. They were like there's a reason. The sun rises every day and sets every night. You know, before religion, I guarantee you, the first people that saw the Sun go down they were like fuck, it's never coming back.
Speaker 2:But yeah, who's to say that the religion that is mainly followed in the world right now is actually the religion? What if Greek mythology was really like the true religion and Zeus got tired of it, yeah, and was like, hey, christianity dog once people poking of holes in it, it starts to fall apart.
Speaker 1:I feel a little bit, yeah, but I do think there is some truth to some of it, though, because they all generally have the same morals. Yeah, you know do. What so does every Marvel movie yes, to be fair, are you no Making a valid point?
Speaker 5:No, we are not because it's all created by the same person.
Speaker 3:Here's the thing, though like Marvel movie is just a fucking movie. Yeah, these people that worship their entire life like these are people that are living their fucking life Like they live their life for these things.
Speaker 4:I.
Speaker 5:Don't know. Having having grown up in religion, having seen the, the cult, like mentalities of Certain religious aspects, whether it's a spin-off, whether it's all that sort of thing, you know, I feel like, yeah, sure, it's the same story, but you can see the same story Everywhere in life. Whether it's good, good, cop, you know, robber, whether it's the God and the devil, I mean let's the same theme is there.
Speaker 2:Let's the purest form of religion. In my opinion, this is a entirely opinionated, a Satanism.
Speaker 1:Right here 100%.
Speaker 2:Let's look at Satanism, for example. You're not worshiping the devil, the. The religion itself is literally like don't rape people, don't do dirty shit to people, yeah, and worship yourself and Love yourself and love everyone else as you want to be loved and do unto others as they have done unto you.
Speaker 3:So I have an opinion about this as well. There was okay, so Satanism as a religion was established sometime in the 60s and 70s. All right, all of these ideals like all these ideals and these sorts of ways of life, in these paths that people want to take right, there is a religion called Thelima and it was written by Alasdair Crowley and in Alasdair Crowley's time of being, this was 1908. He basically says everything that Anton Levese says, and it was in 1908. So, yes, satanism is a way of life and it is a way of true religion and truly following something. However, it goes back to what Jeff was saying is that it's all sort of rinsed and repeated. So really, any religion, if we want to talk completely objectively, like completely objectively, any religion at all, is really just a rinse and repeat of another.
Speaker 1:Yeah Well, have you ever heard the phrase the quickest way to get rich is religion or politics 100%. That's why. That's why that's what my point is.
Speaker 2:But so like the reason that, like I brought up Satanism is because every other religion is like you worship this person, and like so the thing that I've never understood about religion I grew up religious, I grew up Methodist, I'm baptized Methodist Like why does someone need a book to tell them that's how to treat people?
Speaker 5:That's part of what I might disagree with you about Satanism is is because I feel like the crux of what makes religious aspirations religious groups of people is the organization to it. When there's a rulebook, when there is an understanding. The second you organize people, no matter what it is, whether it's people who get stranded on the side of the road, whether it's people who are in the grocery store and it gets locked down. Somebody feels compelled to take the leader role.
Speaker 2:That's human nature.
Speaker 5:It is human nature. So that's why I feel like part of what religion is is a human construct. It's this like feeling that, no matter what, you're always going to get back to this point of like somebody is either going to interpret what this leader says and truly be the actual leader of it or, you know, people are going to like have this figment of their imagination that's going to be ruling over them. There always has to be a leader and a follower, and that's the part of religion I think that is inherently going to corrupt every single thing that it touches. So when it comes to like churches and things like that, I feel like, no matter what you do, no matter how pure the actual belief is, somebody's at some point is going to come along and people are going to look to either look to a leader or look to become a leader, and I feel like, at the end of the day, like that's why the the rinse and repeat effect always it always happens.
Speaker 2:So, there's one religion that isn't very rinse and repeat, though Scientology.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Scientology is a fucking weird shit.
Speaker 1:So I'm not religious, but let me tell you, Tacot is about the school, y'all. I'm not religious, but he's about to. He's about to fucking lay it out on his table.
Speaker 4:I want to bring it back to the Bible. Do you guys read the Bible Like I did? You did so when.
Speaker 3:I yeah, this is it. Oh, I know we're getting into when.
Speaker 4:I read the Bible. Right, you can read the same scripture, same scripture, over and over and over and it will mean something different to you every single time. Well version I do the King James version.
Speaker 2:So you read a book that was translated by an English king.
Speaker 4:So yes, but the thing is is Hebrew didn't have a lot of words back then, so it can be translated however you want it to be translated.
Speaker 5:Part of it the contradicts the other part of it, that people just say oh, it's Old Testament, new Testament, old Testament.
Speaker 4:New Testament All right. Well, old Testament, how God used to run things. New Testament Jesus was sent, died on the cross. It's a little different now. Yeah, you know what I mean. He's a little more forgiving, a little more loving. You know what I mean.
Speaker 5:I feel like I typically agree on everything, but I only found the thing that we can agree disagree on but he's still a God of wrath that way.
Speaker 4:If so, you ever notice like people like the bad people never really get like the really bad people, always, always like Hitler or you know whatever. It always ends bad form every time and like I mean sure you have people now that are sitting on top that are still bad, but their time hasn't come yet. It's gonna come. So if people say, oh, God is so, so hateful, why would he send people to hell? All this other stuff Like it, freaking hell, why would you not send Hitler to hell?
Speaker 5:But at the same time, like you know, you're not going to be able to get a job Like you would have Hitler kill millions and millions of Jews, and it's like if there was a God, why would he let?
Speaker 2:that happen and yeah, okay, so you said it yourself that there wasn't that at the time he didn't have a whole lot of words so you can translate it however you want to yeah, that is what you said. Yes, if you are going to be reading the King James Version and it can be translated however you want, because there isn't a whole lot of words- in that room.
Speaker 4:That's why there's so many religions, because people translate it however they want. You know what I mean.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but like.
Speaker 5:I back to the Tower of Babel, yeah.
Speaker 2:So like, okay, I'm going to ask you the same question. I've asked every person who's followed some form of religion how do you know that Christianity is the one?
Speaker 4:Because I feel it.
Speaker 3:So, if we're going to go off of that, the human psychology, of everything you know, and every sort of philosophy of life and every perspective that every individual has, just as a common fact, everyone's perception of reality is completely different, every single brain. So what you may feel as Christianity, someone else could feel as Satanism. What you may feel as Christianity, someone else could feel as Buddhism. Whatever you feel as Christianity could be Taoism. Everything could feel like anything. So if we're going to talk about, you know, this sort of feeling and stuff, if we want to talk about Christian beliefs, I think that I'm going to ask you a question have you ever read the book of Enoch Enoch? I've heard of it, I've never read it. Okay, so that is a thing that is objectively more well rounded than King James Bible.
Speaker 4:Well, they say that that book of Enoch was taken out when it was translated. Over to which that it could be, I don't know Exactly.
Speaker 3:That's what I'm saying. Yeah, anything could be changed and transversed and switched up to be whatever the fucking one said Do you know where the oldest Bible was found? No idea.
Speaker 4:The same mountain that Moses did the commandments. That's where the oldest Bible was found. But how do we know that that's true?
Speaker 3:Or is that just written about Because it's supposed to be in favor of the religion?
Speaker 1:Historians have actually backed that claim. Historians have actually backed the claim that he just sent. That is true. And I'm going to take an argument for Tacotus side, not just because he's my brother, not just because they love him, but because this does bring a valid point. Everything that the Bible predicted is coming true. Look at it the Euphrates River is actually currently drying up. That was actually written in the Bible, that during the end times the Euphrates River would dry up. They also wrote that whatever was wrong will be considered right.
Speaker 3:I have a question to ask you.
Speaker 1:Hang on a minute, dammit. Also, too, they've written. So my grandmother has a copy of the Bible that was written in 1907, 1908. They predicted both world wars, not just one of them, both of them. And they've also predicted nation against nation, brother against brother, person against person, and that's exactly what we're currently seeing right now. So, again, I'm not religious. I'm just saying there are some valid points to be made as to why the Bible could not be a hundred percent full of shit.
Speaker 3:I have a question. I'm sorry.
Speaker 2:One second. Let me go first on the chastkers. How vague was the predictions?
Speaker 4:Not very at all Okay.
Speaker 2:so I'm talking about World War I, world War II. Did it specifically say these nations of Britain, united States of America, france and Canada are going to go up and fight Germany?
Speaker 1:No, because when the original copy of that Bible, the original copy of that Bible was written, those nations didn't exist yet.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but you just said it was written in 1908. Britain, germany and the United States of America.
Speaker 1:That copy was printed in 1908, but I'm saying that that means that there was a Bible long before that that said the same exact shit which could have been rinsed and repeated to make whatever thing it wants to.
Speaker 2:Because if you look at the Crusades the Christians against the Muslims that was a great war.
Speaker 1:But yeah, but there's a difference in what they're talking about here. Those were not considered world wars. You're talking about these are multiple, multiple nations going against each other. You had two of the world's superpowers, russia and the United States, teaming up and going after one specific nation, germany. Okay, now, obviously Japan was also on the side of Germany, and so was Italy, but you also had the United States, russia, great Britain, canada, etc. Etc. That were all kind of teaming up and working together. It was the only time. There was only two times in world history where it was multiple nation against multiple nation, even the Vietnam War, yes, yes, you had United States and China were kind of having their back and forth, but it wasn't on the level that the two world wars were on. The point I'm getting at is just that the Bible has predicted a lot of things that come true. The Euphrates River is currently drying up. The Euphrates River is considered one of the is first of all, the first.
Speaker 5:I can read my horoscope and it'll predict things that happened in life. I'm just saying you can always connect dots that are already there and you already have a story.
Speaker 1:But what?
Speaker 5:about. Why is it specifically the Euphrates?
Speaker 1:It's not why is it specifically the Euphrates?
Speaker 5:Let me explain this. I feel like religion oftentimes is like the side quest in some video game or something like that, where you have a bigger underlying truth or question to answer. There's two questions. I think when it comes to religion that no matter what the religion is, you can always point back to these two underlying root causes. Let's do a root cause analysis of what's going on with a certain religion. The questions are always this it's always why are we here and what happens when we leave? To get back to what we first talked about, with the whole UFO or alien thing or whatever it's like. Okay, are we alone? Does that mean that the whole basis of our understanding of why we were here, that we get answers from the Bible? Right, that answers our question. Every single religion will answer our question as to what we're doing here and where we're going afterwards, no matter what, whatever it is religion.
Speaker 1:All my point is is that I think it's possible for God to be real and people are full of shit. I think both possibilities are.
Speaker 3:Exactly that's. What I'm saying is that nobody knows. You can have faith and believe in something, and there's nothing wrong with that. However, the problem comes whenever people in general try to provide it as fact.
Speaker 4:It's harder for people to understand and believe when they haven't seen it firsthand. I've seen stuff happen firsthand, like weird stuff my grandfather had was pulling the people out of the car and stuff. My grandfather was a pastor too, so I was throwing that out there. He was pulling, and then the ambulance person came up and told him to get out of here. Preacher man, we don't need you here. My grandfather was like he said I wiped the dust off my feet as a testimony against you. Not even 20 seconds later another car came by, hit her door. Her door flew completely off.
Speaker 3:Okay, that is a touching story, but my point being is okay here. If we want to really combat this with something that is known and 100% fact, we can use the test of psychology. All right, the coincidence there is that it could have just been a chance. It could have been Exactly.
Speaker 4:But then tell me why he went all the way to Alabama and back on 38 cents. How do you do that, God? That's how we did that.
Speaker 5:I also hit seven out of seven numbers on Kino the other night. I'm not trying to disrespect your point of view, because I respect it and I grew up believing it, but I can always hit a point A and a point B and try to connect them in some way.
Speaker 4:Right, I mean, you can try to connect it. All you want, if God doesn't want you to connect it. You're not going to connect it.
Speaker 5:No, no, no. Why things happen? I think we all. That's why I said there's two questions to things underlying it all. I think we're all looking for the same answers, and some of us find an answer, and we think that that's the reason why things happen, or the reason why certain things happen in our life. It's because we're all hoping there's an actual answer to the question. We also have to accept, though if we're going to think logically and we're also going to think like a human being with emotion is that the worst case scenario like literally the worst case scenario in any religion is like what if we're wrong? What if there is no?
Speaker 1:reason.
Speaker 5:Nobody, ever nobody, likes to think through that possibility, but there is that possibility there, and I think that's the part of it that a lot of us try not to think about. That's why we all look for reasons in religion.
Speaker 4:I grew up in a Pentecostal church. Right, you know how Pentecostals are. I do you touch your snake? We're not that bad.
Speaker 2:I grew up in a Pentecostal family as well.
Speaker 4:Really, yeah, so, okay. So have you seen I know people make fun of it now, but have you seen when people touch like people's head and they fall out? That happened to me. That happened to me. I don't know how it happened to me.
Speaker 3:I'm going to play devil's advocate here. That could be a psychological reaction, because you've seen it happen before, so you thought that your brain thought that was the right thing to do.
Speaker 4:No, because I was trying. I was trying not to fall. I was like I was literally trying not to. And I the brain works in ways that is completely important. Trent brings a good point.
Speaker 1:So, too, I want to say I know it's. I'm like I'm going to say this to everybody here I fucking love talking to religion with Dakota because he is an educated Christian. Okay, he is, he is. He's. Not only is he an educated Christian, he's a good Christian. He's not going to force his religion on you, like I've had many Christians that try to force it on me. He's not like that. You know he's different. He's explained to me his side and why he believes it. But you know, this is part of what makes us all good friends simply because we're all so different but we still respect and love each other.
Speaker 5:It's part of what so I've. I've been your friend for how many years? Probably two or three years yeah. We've been really good friends and it's interesting to see this side of you because I grew up I grew up in a very like. I went to Christian school my entire life. My parents are still very, very involved with the church, like I literally was at church seven days a week, like Sunday twice, and then my parents worked there, so I was there every day of the week. I grew up having to memorize Bible verses Like I had like my whole. What I was going to do after I graduated high school was go to Bible college and become a pastor and all that sort of thing. I understand like the, the, the logical, like rationale to it all. The cool thing is and what I appreciate about you is that you know where I grew up you were automatically dismissed if you had a different opinion. And and what I appreciate about you is like I've had this different, different opinion my entire life. Because after I got out of that and I kind of like saw at least in my worldview the big picture, I was like, well, you could apply this same argument to every other scenario in your life, right? So just that you have a different opinion than I do? We've been friends for three years.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 5:Like the part of religion that I I have a problem with.
Speaker 4:Yeah.
Speaker 5:A lot of times you would look at me and say you know you're lost or whatever, you're shunned.
Speaker 4:You see, Jesus himself didn't really like hanging out with Christians, Right, Because they were always pointing at other people. You know the, the, what was it? The whore, right, they were going to stoner for being a whore. And then, damn right, he was like. He was like if you, if you haven't sinned, then throw the first rock. None of them through the first rock.
Speaker 1:And and this this goes back to to what I was saying to is, for me, I have no problem with religion. No problem with religion. I have a problem with organized religion. Okay, I have a problem with the churches that are taking money from people Like I have a family member who is probably going to watch this, so I will not name that goes, you know, goes to church regularly, okay, and I asked them how much money have you given to this church? I don't see what that has to do with anything. So when was the last time that they did any sort of maintenance on that church? Ever no response. You know that, that, like I said, I have no problem with religion. You can believe whatever you want. I'm never going to bash you for your beliefs, but don't sit there and tell me that all churches are good.
Speaker 2:Don't take me questioning you as me bashing your faith.
Speaker 4:Oh, no, okay, cause that, that I can't handle things that way.
Speaker 3:I also want to say, like I'm a religious person, I follow on Orthodox religions. I just like to. I like to for me for me experiencing religion is experiencing all of religion. That's how I am.
Speaker 4:I try to look it from both sides, Like when an atheist or someone talks to me. I try to put myself in their shoes Like it's not, they're not being an asshole because they don't believe, they just don't they had different experiences.
Speaker 3:Yeah, they just don't yeah, they just don't see the same way.
Speaker 4:See, I got lucky to have Christian parents to raise me up to be a Christian, and you know so, if you. If you're not, then you're not. You know what I mean. So if you want to come to me and ask questions, I'll be glad to answer questions for you.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you know what I've been dick riding to Kota's point. So I'm going to go ahead and and bring one up that nobody has been able to answer. No Christian has ever been able to answer this. So do you believe that good people deserve to be punished? To Kota? No right. Do you really expect me to believe that Gandhi is in hell?
Speaker 4:If Well my religion says that if he does not believe that Jesus died on the cross and rose again, then yes.
Speaker 1:So, but he was. He was a great person, he was God. But how?
Speaker 4:do you know that maybe in his last seconds, god didn't come down and be like hey, this, this is right, this is real, and it was like all right.
Speaker 1:But here's the problem, though, is that if that let's say for some reason, let's say that did happen, that implies that, if that implies, that had had God not done that then a good person would have gone to hell just because, just because he didn't believe in the same thing as as the Bible says, because there's a lot of people in the world who are good people. But like, look at North Korea, in North Korea there was a, there was a Christian missionary and he went there and passed out Bibles to people. The military dragged him out in the street, shot him in the head in front of everyone and confiscated every Bible he handed out. So those people, those, people don't have a choice. They're not taught Christianity, so it's why do they get punished? Because they don't have a choice. Well, that's my whole thing.
Speaker 3:So we're going to OK, I'm just going to say this part. All right, as a third point, gandhi. Ok, if we're going to use Gandhi as an example, the things that he did behind closed doors, what is on? Noted him a good person.
Speaker 4:It's unknown right.
Speaker 3:Nobody really knows. There is, there are, there are, there are lots of points leading to the fact that he would abuse women, he would leave them by themselves, he would not treat them correctly, he would disrespect them on a human level and would use them for sex Sure. But my point being is that in your religion, dakota? Is that a good person?
Speaker 5:No so exactly.
Speaker 1:You also have to look at it, too, from a cultural standpoint. The way he was raised, the way he grew up in his culture, you know, is in, in in American culture. Right, it's even right. Men are here, women are here, they're the same. They're treated equally. As far as I know, as far as the right, as far as as, as far as a good person would see if they should be treated equally in a lot of cultures around the world. The way they're brought up in, the way they're taught is men are here and house cat is right here.
Speaker 3:So you know OK. So here's the thing, though a little different. This also begs the question is religion cultural? Because if religion is cultural, then it is not for everybody. So you can't add culture to a problem with the religion, because religion is not supposed to be designated for a specific culture.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but each culture has a has a look out on. Ok, let's use them.
Speaker 1:Muslim religion as an example Extreme.
Speaker 2:Muslims yeah, the extremists. Women ain't allowed to have an education. Women ain't allowed to do nothing but take care of the house. They allowed show their face and allowed show skin. They need a man's permission to do anything. They need a man's permission to do anything. This is the Muslim religion, right? Where, if you follow it correctly, you are going to see Allah, right? Do you see where I'm going here with this? Like the Muslim culture pretty much tells you women ain't shit but hoes and tricks. You know what I'm saying. I understand that.
Speaker 4:And that's that, that is why I make the point earlier of which.
Speaker 3:That is why I try to embellish myself in every religion. Yeah, you know, I'm saying because I would never want to live a specific lifestyle designated to one specific past of life.
Speaker 2:So I need you know. Since we brought up Gandhi, OK, let's bring up the reverse side of this right, Because you said to make it to heaven you got to believe. You know, pretty much repent. Yeah you have to repent. Yeah, so does that mean anyone who repents should get into heaven? Yes, no matter what they did in their life.
Speaker 4:The Bible is all about forgiveness.
Speaker 2:OK, so Jeffrey Dahmer.
Speaker 4:That's what I was about to say Jeffrey.
Speaker 3:Dahmer, he got himself. He said oh, I think God is my own.
Speaker 4:But if he actually was a changed person.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but he did it on his deathbed.
Speaker 4:Oh, he didn't, I was yes.
Speaker 1:Then he then according to the code of. There's a very good possibility. He didn't go to heaven because there's a possibility he could have been full of shit, so he was.
Speaker 4:Yeah, but then more favorably after OK so if he did it on his bed, bed and he actually was a changed person, I mean technically he got killed on it. Well, yes, yeah, but like he did it like not too soon before getting killed.
Speaker 3:So if I will also say it wasn't just his deathbed he said to him on his deathbed as well but he also in the court of law with his apology letter basically making his plea. He had said that he took God as his own, so technically he took God as his own way before he died.
Speaker 1:Yeah, also to I will say and I'm not going to sit here and you know and try and justify anything or anything like that he did on multiple occasions, even when he was arrested. Did on multiple occasions, knew he did something wrong. Yeah, he knew ever since he was arrested, always the same thing. A man like me doesn't deserve to live. A man like me doesn't deserve to be walking on the streets. I did terrible things. He always knew that. So it is a possibility that he did become a changed person and he, you know, in his own mind. Now he is still a horrendous piece of shit. He is still a terrible human being, and I personally, if it was me, let's say I was God for some reason, which is a terrible idea. But you know, if I was God, that motherfucker is going straight to the boiler room of hell. But you know, as far as the Bible is concerned, it is a possibility that he did go down.
Speaker 4:Do you think? Okay, this is, this is something I've been struggling with. It actually stemmed from a South Park episode. Do the handicap go to heaven, like the like, the mentally ill? Because they can't?
Speaker 1:That depends on your denomination.
Speaker 4:Yeah, so. So if Jeffrey Dahmer was mentally ill, which he obviously was, you think?
Speaker 1:that's different. He was still coherent.
Speaker 4:Yeah.
Speaker 1:He was still coherent. That's very different. A non-coherent, mentally ill person who is in no control of their actions, I would say probably has a little bit of slack.
Speaker 3:We're getting into some cagey stuff right now. I will admit Okay, so here's the thing. Right, like that is that is that's. That's a problem too. You know I'm saying that you're struggling with. Oh well, do the mentally ill people go to heaven, if God is for everyone?
Speaker 4:why is that a?
Speaker 3:question.
Speaker 4:That's what I'm saying why is it? Why is it that?
Speaker 3:Oh, no, that's not you, I'm, let's say, god's a creator right.
Speaker 4:I'm not a Bible scholar.
Speaker 3:I made you this way Right, uh-huh, but you can't accept me. So is that not a? Is that not a double fucking?
Speaker 4:jeopardy Easy, I don't know. That's why I'm asking the question.
Speaker 3:But my point being is like that's also another thing is like if this is another problem that I have with lots of things like I like, I said, like I've started Christianity, I don't think they would get up.
Speaker 4:I mean it's like if they have the mind of like a toddler or something that I think yeah.
Speaker 3:Yeah, but toddlers can still go to heaven if they're not, if they're not mentally ill.
Speaker 1:Christians Christians, not Catholics, but Christians have always believed that quote unquote, that toddlers and babies and, you know, kids that are not young enough or kids that are not old enough, just automatically, they automatically Catholics are a little different. Catholics believe that if your baby is not baptized and they go to purgatory which I get, that I'm not going to say it's right, but I get it you let one dead baby into heaven. You got to let all the dead babies into heaven and then heaven's filled with fucking dead babies. But there's got to be a vetting process, right. I'm just saying there's limited space everywhere.
Speaker 3:My thing is that also to go back to what you said, tyler, about unorganized religion. You know, I'm saying is that, objectively, isn't every religion organized?
Speaker 4:No, why do you believe that Religion is man made? Because religion is organized by God.
Speaker 1:Religion is man made, but also to. There's a difference between being religious and being so. I've met many Christians that say they don't go to church because there is nowhere in the Bible that says you have to go to church. Nowhere in the Bible does it say you have to go to church ever.
Speaker 5:But churches are organized religion. Is there anywhere in the Bible where it talks about babies going to heaven?
Speaker 1:Yes, In Catholicism they specifically talk about the Bible and their version of the Bible. Yes, they specifically talk about how their version of the Bible it's a lot of subjectivity. Yes, I'm not disagreeing with that. Like I said, I'm the neutral party here. I'm open minded If Jesus himself came down and was like hey, dude, I'm for real and you better start believing. I will be at a church every goddamn Sunday, but and even if it's not that extreme, but if somebody shows me something that changes my mind, I'm going to be a Christian from that moment forward and I do a lot of the population.
Speaker 5:That's exactly what happens. I don't know.
Speaker 1:I disagree with that. There's a lot of people that are just stuck in their ways that will refuse.
Speaker 3:But that mean that the same thing can be said about those said Christians that would change your mind.
Speaker 1:Agreed, that's what I'm saying. But I'm saying that if I find something that is compelling enough for me, well, okay, billy, billy, what's up bro?
Speaker 3:Okay so we're going off on a tangent.
Speaker 2:Well, well, hang on. I got one point to make and then I think it's about time for us to put a bookmark in this, because we're at almost two hours, goddamn. I have met more people that grew up in the church, grew up actively involved, going to Christian school, going to Bible college to be a pastor. I've met more people that has turned their back on religion than people that grew up in it, that stayed in it, and most of the people I know that are in it now either got saved from a drug addiction or they went to a weird spot in their life and found it, or married someone who followed the religion extremely closely and then they, you know, converted and became religious. But I know more people that grew up in religion that was like that are devil's advocates with religion. I've even had a guy on this podcast who went through Bible college, finished it, had everything to go be a pastor and is now a devout atheist.
Speaker 4:You can have a. I don't think religion is. I mean it's, it's good, it's some of it's good to keep, like how people on track keep you up there with it, but I think a one on one personal relationship with God is way more beneficial than anything else.
Speaker 5:You speak a good point. I think. If your personal beliefs are compelling enough, you should be allowed to do it 100%. But I also think that unfortunately and this is like and I say unfortunately, like with a sincere heart, because I have people still to this day that I love dearly that like we can't even go and talk about this Because, no matter what, if I have a different opinion than them, I'm a bad influence. Yes, I'm a non believer. I'm possessed by you know, whatever it may be, and it's not because that's what they feel, it's because that's what they're taught.
Speaker 4:This was a thought. Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 5:And that's that's for me at least like that's the problem I have with.
Speaker 4:That is not what Jesus was about at all. You know what I mean.
Speaker 5:Unfortunately, though, there's a lot of people who who, especially, are the most vocal about Jesus don't feel that way, Right, and that's that's unfortunate, but it is the way the world is. I say all that to say, man, like I think everybody should be able to do what the fuck they want. Everybody should be able to believe what they want, and we should be able to have conversations like this on this podcast.
Speaker 1:Yeah because, at the end of the day, we're all friends. Exactly the end of the day I like at this part, sitting at this table. I respect each and every person sitting at this table, including you. I haven't known you as long as I've known these guys, but I like you, You're a good, you're a good man. That's the thing.
Speaker 3:That's the only thing that we can know you know what I'm saying is friendship and communion between humans. That's the only thing that we can truly, truly, truly, truly know, and that's why it's important that people have these conversations that we've had the day, because you know at the very end, even if you're you know if, even if you're a Christian and you're a Satanist and I'm a practice thalamite that's also delving into alchemy right now and also fucking astrology you know what I'm saying Can also talk to someone that you know seemingly doesn't really follow a religion. You know what I'm saying. And then someone that was raised religious and then had a new awakening. You know what I'm saying. It's like you can't. This is what you know at the very end of the day. This is what keeps people together, and the whole talk on religion is that it's always the loudest minority that are fighting against each other, and that's why no one can ever talk about it, because it's come to a point. They're on the table for a reason. It's come to a point in which you know this is, this, is this is strengthened our bond, because we can still understand where we each other are coming from and still retain our own opinions and beliefs and, honestly, I'm just glad we had this conversation, even though I've been kicking my feet over and over again.
Speaker 2:Hey, listen, these are the type of conversations the show was created for. We had a debate and you know we had a conversation about a pretty controversial topic and it didn't get heated. We all just sat around and talked.
Speaker 3:And we were trying to talk about aliens too, with the fuck.
Speaker 1:We got this from aliens to straight up religion. Yeah, sure, that was my fault, but you know, whatever.
Speaker 2:But um so let's put a pin in this next time Can we talk about our upcoming shows? I was about to say selfless plug dawg. Yeah, man, where people find you. You got upcoming shows.
Speaker 1:We're playing Blue Fox August 19th. We're headlining that with this motherfuckers other band, Paradise of Blaze. That's going to be a fucking banger because Chris Demon is the fucking opener. Badass Going to be amazing.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and then we got a show coming up in Funny Farm.
Speaker 1:Yes, funny Farms September 23rd. We got a few shows lined up. Let's see Funny Farm, then Gear House in Chambersburg, pennsylvania. We're playing there. And then we got we all shut the fuck up, god damn. And um, we also have, uh what?
Speaker 5:Oh yeah.
Speaker 2:We're playing at Granny's.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we're playing at Granny's with Accident as well, so that's going to be lots of fun we love the guys at. Accident. That's December. That's their event called Axmus. It's getting kind of close to Christmas for them for that show.
Speaker 3:So and, uh, you can always check us out on Spotify, you can check us out on um YouTube Pretty much every streaming service that you want.
Speaker 2:Facebook.
Speaker 3:And also you know, we got a, we got some songs cooking up right now.
Speaker 5:So yeah, um check out on YouTube. We just released Fybh. Like what month? Two months ago. Yeah, so that one just came in on YouTube. We got a lyric video, we got um yeah we got the whole thing, so that one's going to be a fun one. So, yeah, I'm going to go ahead and, uh, not think about that for the rest of the day.
Speaker 3:And then uh also we still have a couple of uh, we still have a couple of limited Fybh shirts, correct?
Speaker 1:Yes, we still have. Yeah, so if you want to grab them, it's the first time.
Speaker 3:It's the first and last time we're selling them, so if you want to come to our show, we'll be selling them there. Um, but yeah, even though we all talked about this, we love you all very much. Whoever does check in, you know, we really appreciate. None of this could happen without any of you Shout out to Wilson King podcast for having us. For sure, let's have a. You know everyone, you know so. But yeah, thank you guys so much for listening to us ramble about shit. That's an important to be honest. But yeah, check us out on anything. We uh we love the support and we hope to uh see you all around.
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Today we sit down with the band Dinosaurs In Paris from Shippensburg, PA! We talk about their new EP Holding Out For Someday, their shows and more! Check out Dinosaurs In Paris on the web: https://dinosinparis2020.wixsite.com...
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