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We're just chilling on this impromptu episode of the Wilson King Podcast with Brad Hart. I want to see Colorado do well. Obviously it's a great story. Let's not just talk about football. I saw him talk about somebody yesterday. He brought in revenue not just for the football team but for the entire city, all the small businesses. They made like what? 18 million, something like that. The first home game they had last week. They are blowing up everything there and it's fantastic.

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I'm excited for the fact that Colorado is coming to the Big 12. So there's a chance to get to see fucking Dion in Morgantown. That'd be awesome. 100%, I mean dude, I'm a WVU fan.

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Think about ESPN that week, now that Pat McAfee works there Dion against WV, all the coverage he's going to get on ESPN and Pat McAfee Dude that'd be the greatest week of college football and analytics ever.

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Bro, you know how big of a WVU fan I am right.

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Slightly. Yeah, You're slightly a big fan.

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That game would be one of them. Games where it's like a WVU loss.

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I'd be like it's all right, it's okay. As long as you guys beat Pitt apparently I didn't realize that was Bro. We beat him 17-3. I don't know why I always think Pittsburgh's way further north than what it is. It's not.

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It's like an hour and a half north of Morgantown Bro that Pitt used to be WVU's biggest rival, them games. There's a reason. If you hear in a bar full of WVU people, if you hear Sweet Caroline, come on, it's not the bum, bum, bum, it's each shit. Pitt, WVU hates Pitt.

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So they were talking earlier. This is the thing that I think college football is missing now. Are these rivalries that used to be huge and now you don't see them as often? That's still a rivalry. It means something, but it doesn't really mean anything Because they're not in the same conference anymore, right yeah?

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Pitt's in the ACC and we're in the Big 12.

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Yeah, so somebody was talking on I think it was one of the sports talks and things about how the perfect alignment would be to just get rid of the conferences and go back to a regional thing, kind of like the NFL or NBA, one of the two.

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So I'd be down to see them. Keep the conferences right. Keep the Big 10 just being the Midwest. Make the Pac-12. Almost like it was 20 years ago.

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Yeah.

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Make the Big 12 and SEC.

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Why is Maryland in the same conferences? What was the conference that they even did? Now Big 10, right.

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But the Big 10 makes sense because you got Penn State and the Big 10 too.

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They don't make sense in the Big 10, right yeah, some people joined that and it made it weird. Is TCU in the Big 10? No, tcu is in Big 12. I can't keep track of any of it Because the Big 10 is like 24 schools. The Big 12 is like 36. No, it's not. I'm exaggerating.

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The Big 12 up until this year was 12 schools. I think they added SINSEE and USF, which makes it 14, though Okay, what a lot of these conferences need to do is what the SEC did and break off into your eastern, break up into divisions within the conference, but the perfect realignment would literally be the Pacific schools, like USC, stanford Well, I think Stanford's in the Ivy League, so that makes sense because they're technically an Ivy League school, Although there are Pac-10 or something Pac-12, whatever that is. They might be Pac-12. I don't fucking know, I don't pay attention to the Pac-12.

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But all those.

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West Coast schools should all be Pac-12., the Midwest should be Big 10. The SEC should literally be ACC, the Atlantic Coast Conference. So WVU should be in there, pitch should be in there, clemson, north Carolina, and then your SEC should be like your Georgia schools, your Florida schools, bama, louisiana, and then make the Big 12, texas, oklahoma, new Mexico.

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Arizona. Let's be honest, texas could damn near have its own conference by itself 100% there's, you've got TCU, baylor, texas Tech, texas A&M. Maybe they could do it like this is just random thoughts Maybe do it through where the SEC has these schools, but then these other schools are like SEC Division II. You know what I mean. So then you pick up all these schools but they're all in the same region Because once you start stripping away these rivalries and stuff especially with the transfer, all the portal stuff going on you're losing college football.

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Well, not just that. So if you think about it right, west Virginia's closest home game is, sorry, closest away game by bad. Yeah, I know what you meant is Fuck, give me a second, I might be thinking wrong here. You know what I mean. Oh, excuse me, sorry about that. Drinking some of that Dr Pepper, I mean Pepper. Well, fuck's NCAA football. Let's go to rankings. We won the.

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Kansas.

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BYU.

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BYU is Utah, that's another one that doesn't make fucking sense. Standings, that's what we won. I was thinking Purdue with BYU they're the same school to me in my head.

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Cincinnati. Yeah, so Cincinnati now, but that's just the school that got added, so you take out Cincinnati, ucf and BYU.

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You look like. Kansas City or Kansas State. Kansas isn't even the closest game. What's I'm saying?

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Well, past, once you get past Cincinnati, like yeah, but so before this year you scratch out Houston, scratch out SINC, scratch out UCF and scratch out BYU, tcu, kansas, Oklahoma, texas, kansas State, oklahoma, baylor, iowa State and Texas Tech. That's the big 12. So West Virginia's closest await game is what? Kansas or Iowa? No, not even that. It's Oklahoma. But now you add in BYU, cincinnati, houston and UCF the closest home game.

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Cincinnati.

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Which is still. You know it's a six-hour drive. That's not bad to go to a game. But you know there's a reason that the big 12 won at West Virginia. Well, the reason West Virginia went to the big 12 is because that was the only conference that would take us. If not, we would have had to have been an independent school. And independent schools, don't fucking make it.

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No well, they make it Like they have that they have, they are set up for it. You know what I mean. Like, but um, nbc is not picking up West Virginia.

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Yeah, I mean West Virginia's fans travel, yeah, so so, right like now, let's go and look at the ACC, right, you go look at the ACC of its former show. So, yes, close it. Pit you got, pit you got Virginia Tech. You have Virginia Um wake for us.

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Yeah, the tobacco road teams. Duke wake for us. Nc State.

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North Carolina Duke. Yeah, like right there one, two, three four Climps.

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Well, whenever you just caught the Carolinas, there's Clemson wake for us in South Carolina. What's one?

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some say the Carolinas in general but the Carolina's still five, six hour drive. So not bad depending on where you're talking about college like college sports, so that's not bad, yeah, um, but right there yeah. Pittsburgh Panthers hour and a half. Yeah, virginia Tech three hours, virginia.

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Well, I was talking regionally. So, like you have like for Duke to go to wake for us is not bad. No, like for Duke to go to Clemson's not bad, like yeah.

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But you know, let's go also. So we already looked at ACC, let's go look at the American Conference, american athletic conference.

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You've got Temple.

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Tulane, charlotte, florida, atlantic, north Texas, south Florida, tulsa, uab, utsa, east Carolina, navy, memphis, rice, smu, like the American athletic conference all over the place. Yeah, right Now, open conference USA. We want Big 10. Big 10 is broken up into East and West. In the West you have Minnesota, iowa, wisconsin, purdue, illinois.

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Nebraska.

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Northwestern Not bad traveling. Huh, in the East you have Ohio State, penn State, rutgers, maryland, michigan, michigan State and Indiana Not bad travel, hmm, I.

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I'm not gonna lie, though as far as basketball is concerned, I really do miss those Maryland Duke games.

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Yes, conference USA is Spread out as well. Conference USA spread out like a motherfucker. You have a Liberty, yeah they got Lynchburg.

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Yeah, jacksonville State, louisiana, tech, western Kentucky I just wish I do something to stop the spread of the stuff. Like you know what I mean. Like that's what makes the ACC basketball so good. Yeah, all those schools are on top of each other. They all like see each other outside of this. It's like a high school rivalry, like it's like Hancock and Berkeley Springs, mm-hmm, it's like Hancock and Southern Fulton. There's certain stuff that, like you have to go into these other towns for, so you get to see these people outside that. So it makes it a little bit more fun. You know what I mean 100%.

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Now, did you see where I? I want to say it is USC and I think Cal are going to the Big 10 or no, going to the ACC. Yeah, I've seen something like that. It's like two of the California teams are going to the ACC. It's so dumb Like so terrible. Yeah, now, the SEC is, in my opinion, the best for travel. I.

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Think there's, so I think they're just the best like All around. Yeah.

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Yes, I know.

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As far as, like, how they run it, how it's all ran, how they get teams in, how they don't you know what I mean like Because they've expanded a couple teams right Over the last couple years that day or so.

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So the expansion into the SEC I don't think starts till next year or 2025.

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Well, I thought, they just they thought within, like the last 10, 15 years, they gained a couple schools, but they all made sense.

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Yeah, well, I mean 2025 at. I know for a fact is Texas and Oklahoma is jumping in.

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Yeah, mix, hang on, new SEC but see how like that makes sense, though, because you're taking the rivalry with you.

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You know what I mean.

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Dr Pepper actually has a solid commercial like that. Pretty much just points out all the bad flaws, stuff like college football, right yeah.

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So with the realignment You're gonna have in the West Division You're gonna have Texas, a&m, texas, oklahoma, lsu, missouri, arkansas, ole Miss in Mississippi State. In the East Division You're gonna have Auburn, alabama, florida, georgia, tennessee, vanderbilt, kentucky, south Carolina with the addition of Oklahoma and. Texas. Yeah, all Conference Cuz. There's a bunch of realignments. So who's joining the big 12 as Of this year's Houston, ucf, byu and Cincinnati? Who's joining the big 10 conference in In 2024 is here we go. I'll just go to the fucking actual article Instead of trying to read it from the Google search. So joining in 2024 to the SEC is Texas and Oklahoma. Joining the big 12 as of this year is Houston, ucf, byu and Cincinnati Joining as of next year's Colorado, arizona, arizona State in Utah. So that makes sense, with Utah coming in with BYU yeah, it makes sense. Bringing in Arizona and Arizona State. Houston makes sense because you already have three or Texas teams. Yeah, and Then leaving is Texas and Oklahoma. Which is a big hit, like let's be honest Um joining in 2024 to the big 10 is UCLA, oregon, usc in Washington. No one's leaving Fair. The pack 12 conference isn't gaining anybody. For leaving in 2024 is Colorado, arizona, arizona State, washington, oregon, ucla, usc in Utah.

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What's gonna be left.

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Nothing. Now the American Athletic Conference as of this year added UTSA, uab, rice, north Texas, charlotte and FAU, but UCF Cincinnati and Houston left this year, obviously.

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I think that's what they're building up more for a basketball conference, I think, yeah, football.

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Sunbelt conference this year, and I mean 2022, marshall joined, old Dominion joined, james Madison joined in southern Mississippi joined. I.

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Didn't realize James Madison was that big of a university. So they're not, they're a smaller yeah University they just, but they just, they're making the jump to division. What this one?

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yeah, division one Because they're fucking killer. Same thing with Liberty, the Liberty flames from Lynchburg. Yeah, they're not a very big school. They're a fucking Christian college. Yeah, but you got Liberty coming into conference, usa, jacksonville State, sam Houston, in New Mexico State, and then 2024 you have Kennesaw State joining, and then you had Marshall, odu and Southern Miss Leaving, and in 2022, and then this year, uab, utep, north Texas, charlotte, rice and FAU left. I can't even keep up all of it. Yeah, but, dude, I mean, I so like I think where the Love of college football comes from. Is there so many schools, right?

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Yeah, but like you're losing so many of like Texas and Oklahoma going together makes sense. Texas has other rivals, you're right, but Texas in Oklahoma is the big one. Yep, that's the seller. I still remember being in like high school, right out of high school, before Maryland left the ACC like that was a game that I made sure to watch was Duke playing Maryland in basketball.

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And Maryland wasn't in the ACC.

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Yeah, they were.

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Maryland was a big East school. No, look it up, maryland was a big East school to Grand Oil right now because Maryland in West Virginia were big games to Grand Oil right now.

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I.

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Don't even have to grant. I promise dog, I had 16 bucks.

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They were in the ACC when they won the national championship in, like 2001, 2002, 2003. One, dixon, was on the team. Trust me, I hated him. I.

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Maryland was a founding member of the Southern Conference in 1921. Oh, nevermind, they were in the ACC. I lied for some reason.

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I thought they were in the big Biggies because, West Virginia, maryland, always played Virginia Tech was ball Boston College was well.

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Dude V Tech, Dude V Tech in West Virginia. Games were wild.

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Yeah, that's another one that they don't play.

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That let's still play, they just don't play as often now, right the last time V Tech in West Virginia played I know what's Virginia one. No, they didn't. Didn't a V Tech one?

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the last one I watched, I remember turned it off.

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So yeah, they don't have a shot the last time that V Tech in West Virginia played, or did they go to Blacksburg? No, the last time I remember is the neutral site game that they Played a FedEx field.

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Oh, nice. Well, I Think there's a lot better state. The, the college stadiums probably would have been better than FedEx field at that point.

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Well, dude, fedex field wasn't that bad, it was all. Nevermind, they played last year. They played in Blacksburg. So yeah, they played last year. I Completely forgot about that. Yeah.

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But it's not an every year thing anymore, right? No it used to be, but uh yeah, I remember watching because those games were always huge. It was like Duke, you and I don't think I think it was when UNC was in, like it was before. What's his face got there. I Can't think of his name. I can see his face Roy, something.

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Roy was. You don't see his coach for a long time.

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I'm thinking of the wrong. He would left like Kansas or something, went to UNC and then like UNC kind of turned around here the last hour of any years. But when I like, or whenever I was in high school, like UNC kind of hit like a Rebuild or whatever you want to call it in college, but like they were kind of down for a couple years.

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For some reason I feel like Roy was Just look up. Who all their? Hubert Davis is the current head coach of UNC. Roy Williams.

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That's it, yeah.

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Roy Roy Williams. But how long was he the coach? For 15, 20 years something like that.

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I forget when he retired it was club something close to 20 on essay. 18 seasons I'm trying to find years.

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Yeah, Roy Williams was the head coach at UNC from 2003 to 2021.

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Yeah.

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Where did he come from Kansas? Did he come from Kansas?

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I'm trying to find it. It was a Kansas for 15 years.

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He started in Kansas in 88.

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But yes, I don't know it's been, I Just missed that. Like whenever that's like all the conferences start shifting and stuff, it's whenever I kind of stop paying attention to any of it. You know what I mean.

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Yeah, so he coached Kansas and over. They used to be in the big eight from 88 to 96 and then he all he, so he was from. He was at Kansas from 88 to 03 and then went to UNC from 03 to 21.

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Yeah, let's say I remember him. I remember he was in Kansas and then I remember he, whenever he went to UNC, was like a big deal. It took him like a year to turn around, but he did. I hate it again as a Duke fan. It was terrible to watch but it was. It was cool for UNC.

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The man won three Natties though. Yeah, all of them with North Carolina, obviously, but conference regular season and conference tournament. One, two, three, four, five, six. He had six conference regular season titles and tournament titles. Nice, do, roy Williams was a hell of a coach, yeah, like when it. Whenever comes down to college sports, like my one and two teams like WVU is always gonna be number one, the UNC is my number two for all sports. Fair, but I was also. I was born 20 minutes away from Chapel Hill. I mean, fair enough. So yeah, but man, dude, just the. I Love the NIL deals, I love the fact that.

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I love that they're finally making money off of themselves, because like that was the one knock I'd always had against college was the fact that, like these guys are making so much money off these kids, but like if the coach bought on a cheeseburger or something and didn't like report the correct way, like it's a, it's against the regulations and shit like that's, that's insane.

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It is. I mean the fact that these kids are finally able to make money from their Jersey sales from colleges. They're able to go out and make their own deals with Data raid or Nike, or fucking the gym that's in the same town as the college. Yeah, it's great, but the transfer portal, I think, is killing college football.

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To an extent, yeah, but I also think it's making it better at the same time. I Think it's a little out, it's a little outrageous right now, but I think it'll settle down here in a couple years, yeah, well, like, think about like if Joe Burrow couldn't transfer, he'd have been stuck in Ohio State, never played Mm-hmm. You know what I mean. Well, so like the trans, you have those stories like that.

Speaker 2: 27:35

So so so the transfer portal Before the transfer portal would you could transfer there.

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There wasn't anything that was keeping you from transferring those like the rules were like way Strict, or though like well, yes, so transfer, but like you couldn't play it, well, I forget exactly what it was so.

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so if you transferred, you'd have to sit out a year, yeah, which isn't great.

Speaker 1: 27:56

No, which, and it's a weird rule anyway.

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Yeah, well, I mean, it was the same thing with like so, so the state of West Virginia? Hmm, I don't know if you know this or not, but whenever it comes to high school sports, high schools are allowed to recruit now in the state of West Virginia. Why do I do? Why do you think, like some, like it makes sense. I mean, granted, yeah, I've there were schools doing it for years, just on it under the table that wasn't getting caught. Now it's just allowed, but for the longest time you couldn't recruit in the state of West Virginia unless you were a prep school or a private school. Public schools couldn't recruit.

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Well, like Well, who's to say that? Like somebody from Martinsburg didn't see this kid play and get? I'm just using this, like I don't know anybody in Martinsburg To know that this did or did not happen. This is literally just me pulling it out of thin air. Didn't like see a kid that was like over here and like looked at their parents? Like hey, listen, if you move him over here to Martinsburg, like well, we'll find you a nice little house, we'll get you a deal on it? Well, you know what I mean. Like, who's to say that stuff? Can you really stop that in high school football? Yeah, no. You know no.

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It's, it's so. It's the same way. Colleges got away with years for paying kids to come to their school. Yeah, they just did it touch money doll well, no, so like, instead of the boosters, come in to give you the money, someone that has no Affiliation with the school would give you the money.

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Yeah.

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And that's essentially what would happen in high school football. Now my question is, though if, say, a school, you know, hate, hate, to be picking on Martinsburg because they fucking created something over oh my god, yeah, it's insane but say, it does come out that Martinsburg did do this for all their championships, however many they've won, what happens to them? Do they have to forfeit the championships because they?

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anything happens to them, because it's not like the NCAA I've ever seen it.

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You know what I mean, like, but, but you have the WV SSAC, yeah, but overseeing it?

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Oh, I think that's. If that's a case, I think that's way too far. You know what I mean? Yeah, because this is my thing, man. Like you're not just you're giving these people yeah, they're, they're gonna make you this money. Like they're gonna make everybody the money that they need to make. Mm-hmm, why don't you let these people thrive? You know what I mean? It's so stupid that these are. This is how society is set up in general. Like, not just within the NCAA guidelines like In general. It's just dumb. Like now, like you're getting somebody an education Hopefully, to be honest, it doesn't always happen whenever it comes to college sports doesn't happen whenever comes to high school sports either. Yeah, that's hot. We talked about this at a bar the other night here like the same way. Reason, never mind, I can't call that guy out. Anyway, had a teacher who was a football coach and we didn't have to do anything, but anyway, um, where was I going? This now I'm like lost all train of thought. Um, it's just weird. I don't know like you're gonna get this kid Out of a bad situation. You're gonna have his family a chance to survive, you're gonna give a chance to bring these people up in life, mm-hmm, and you're gonna deny it because you're not making the correct amount of money is just stupid. Mm-hmm like and that's what it comes down. Let's be honest, that's. That's all it's about. It's not about morals, it's not about anything. It's the fact that they want to make as much money off these kids as possible 100%.

Speaker 2: 31:14

That's all. Sports are, in any aspect of thing, high school Peewee.

Speaker 1: 31:19

Well, the same people that come we're getting into a whole other conversation here for a second the same people that complain about football stars and like major star athletes making all of this money, Are the same people still buying the jerseys? The same people still going to all this stuff. There's same people still paying for YouTube Sunday ticket. There's still the same people that are complaining that this kid doesn't make as much money. But because? But they support capitalism, right, cat right?

Speaker 2: 31:47

It's right word.

Speaker 1: 31:48

That's all. It is the reason that Joe Burrow signed his what at 55 million a year 58 I forget where the numbers at now is because he brings that much money into the team. Like that's how this all works, like I don't know. It's just weird how all of it the NCAA was just always weird. To me, that's all Steal another mint.

Speaker 2: 32:14

So Joe Burrow has reached an agreement on a five-year 275 million contract, as confirmed by CBS. It's like 50 is a 58. That makes burrow the highest paid player in NFL history. The extension also includes 219 million guaranteed. Let's go read it. What's the breakdown per year? Ironically, in Newspork shortly after kickoff on NFL opening game between the chiefs and Lions Well, I mean, he was really worth it, he.

Speaker 1: 32:44

They paid him a lot of money for 82 yards. He'll turn it around, but I'm gonna take my shots while I can, bro.

Speaker 2: 32:54

Kim, can we talk about the eight leg parlay? I got going today, jesus, which you might call me stupid for it, but I think it was Highly honest it could be intelligent.

Speaker 1: 33:06

I'm so good.

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It was stupid because Bro, Jesus, bro bro, my eight pick parlays plus 8,331 Jesus. So Obviously I picked the Eagles to win, All right. I gotta go hang on, green Bay over Atlanta. Okay, baltimore over sincey.

Speaker 1: 33:35

I'm not hearing dumb yet. Buffalo over Las Vegas Depends on.

Speaker 2: 33:46

Dallas over New York, tampa over Chicago, tennessee over the Chargers. All right, jacksonville over Kansas City.

Speaker 1: 34:04

The last, the last one, the rest of them, I could all. I think you could logically make the argument yeah, well, so. Jacksonville over the chief. So that's gonna be the one.

Speaker 2: 34:13

Well, I wish I. But here's the thing without making that pick, my payout would have been a hundred bucks. Yeah my payout if it hits today $834. Yeah like yeah, I'm not. And it's all have a $10 bet. Yeah like yes, if it. If it hits, it hits, if it doesn't, it doesn't.

Speaker 1: 34:33

It's, that's whenever I gamble, or something like that. It's like I go to a bar and I'm like getting like what is it? The little Tickets or whatever. You know what I mean. I'm like how do you do that? I'm like it's $20 less I'm gonna spend on alcohol, you mean? Like it's either I'm gonna drink it, or I'm putting in here like there's I'm not leaving with this money either way.

Speaker 2: 34:53

Yeah, now you want to hear the four leg parlay. I got it's a Touchdown parlay. Okay, so Derek Henry needs to score a touchdown, say Quan Barkley needs to score a touchdown, somebody from the Giants needs to score something, devonte Adams needs to score a touchdown and Travis Kelsey needs to score a touchdown.

Speaker 1: 35:17

The only one that I'm questioning say Quan, and that's just because, like, have they say, have they as a Cowboys fan, dude? It was the middle of the third quarter and I'm like man, these you guys, you just killed the spirit of grown men. They had backup, saying like Micah was out of the game. I did not have Michael Parsons in that game and our defensive ends were still hitting the quarterback like so, like here's, here's my question about that game, right?

Speaker 2: 35:46

Because, being a Dallas fan, obviously I want to say that it's just Dallas. Is that good right?

Speaker 1: 35:52

I'm not gonna tell you Dallas isn't that good, but they're not that good.

Speaker 2: 35:57

There ain't no way they're that good they went in everybody's like, well, it was raining.

Speaker 1: 36:01

I'm like it's you play in New York. The Dallas desert done rain hardly ever. It's New York, it rains every other hour, like you can't play in the fucking rain.

Speaker 2: 36:15

Well, see, you know, everyone says like, everyone sees. Excuse, it was raining, dog goes raining for both teams and Dallas still put up 40.

Speaker 1: 36:22

Dallas and turn the ball over it. What four times they took the ball away, what with fumbles and interceptions and stuff. We, or was that just Daniel Jones, my hand.

Speaker 2: 36:33

ESPN. Since we're doing sports talk, my as well. Just leave ESPN open from right now and setting going back to it.

Speaker 1: 36:42

Open up a tab to NFL calm and.

Speaker 2: 36:45

Let's go to scores, week one this game. Let's go to box, score Daniel Jones through two interceptions.

Speaker 1: 37:03

So maybe it was for it was for total takeaways they had let's go to Dallas.

Speaker 2: 37:07

Tony Pollard fumbled the ball once when we recovered it.

Speaker 1: 37:10

Yeah, we, like I was there on the field.

Speaker 2: 37:13

Dallas had two interceptions, a Blocked, punt?

Speaker 1: 37:18

Yeah, that was the big one. Or the punter field, it was the field goal. Did they get a punt too?

Speaker 2: 37:24

No, yeah, it was the field goal. My bad, Hang on, I don't. I don't want box score, I want. It was so bad, it was so bad, I just said that's. That's what we want here.

Speaker 1: 37:33

I was. It was so bad. I had a question whether they also blocked a punt as well as the kick.

Speaker 2: 37:37

That's how bad that game got so Dallas's defensive special teams touchdowns to the New York Giants lost, had through two interceptions and lost one fumble. I thought it was way worse than that. No, but, dude, bro, like I Need deck to go the fuck off today, because it's either he goes off today or I'm dropping him from the fantasy team.

Speaker 1: 38:04

Yeah, dude, I don't the jet's deep listen. I Am worried about the jets. Let's be honest, dude, even without Aaron Rodgers, like Zach Wilson can play if he can play within himself 100%. I've been saying this since last year, yeah, but at the same time, like you, digs is learning from Stefan Gilmore. Stefan Gilmore is one of the best corners of the last however many years he's been. The league he learned under Bill Belichick, like that's, tells you everything you need to know dude.

Speaker 2: 38:31

And you know, people, people talk, talk about, people, talk about Bill Belichick and all that. But, dude, bill Belichick is defensive.

Speaker 1: 38:42

But like you have Trondig's now, donovan Wilson wasn't even there last week and I still think he's the most physical player on that defense as far as like the back end, the DB's and stuff wait, trayvon isn't with the Cowboys anymore. No, trayvon digs. Yeah, he's with the Cowboys. He's oh okay, no, no, I'm saying like you have both of those guys. Donovan Wilson didn't play last week, he's been nursing and injury and he's the most physical person in the backfield, like the back end of that defense. Mm-hmm of the DB's down there, like him and Trayvon curse like, bring, like you know, little bit of physicality.

Speaker 2: 39:15

Are we talking about the Cowboys defense? Yeah, okay.

Speaker 1: 39:18

So like we didn't we weren't even full, like at full speed last week, you know, like that's why, like they were talking about halfway through the broadcast, like they haven't even done anything exotic or anything that they'd normally do, we literally went into New York, didn't do anything except play straight rush, straight coverage. Nothing fancy, nothing out of the ordinary for anybody ever. Like it's like a kid that doesn't know anything, playing cover to cover three man defenses on Madden. Yeah, that's essentially what they did last week.

Speaker 2: 39:49

Uh-huh.

Speaker 1: 39:50

That is wild, 100%. I don't think Michael Parsons is gonna get to Wilson a couple times, and I think it's gonna. I think that's gonna be what changes the entire course of the game.

Speaker 2: 40:04

Well, dude, our, our defensive line was killing it last week. Yeah, it's New.

Speaker 1: 40:08

York and all. It wasn't just my kid, wasn't just Tank Lawrence, it wasn't just, it was literally all of them.

Speaker 2: 40:15

Yeah, well, um, honestly, dude, I think the defense the Cowboys have put together now is the defense that they've been trying to build for years.

Speaker 1: 40:25

Yeah, they thought well, because a lot of them. The thing they were missing last year was the other corner. Mm-hmm, because bland's a great slot corner, anthony Brown's a great slot corner. I think that's the one that's still there. They're not great outside corners, mm-hmm. So now you have Gilmore one side and digs on the other, like where you throw in 100%.

Speaker 2: 40:48

I mean, um, donovan Wilson, still doubtful to play today. Okay yeah, zack Martin is questionable he's been questionable for a little bit Tyler Smith doubtful and Brandon cooks is questionable.

Speaker 1: 41:07

I've seen that came out last night, that they don't think he's playing yeah.

Speaker 2: 41:11

But dude, let's. Let's look at these stats right now for team stats Cowboys total offense this year's 265.

Speaker 1: 41:20

Yeah, well, that's because they didn't have the ball. Mm-hmm, look at time of possession of that game. Like I guarantee you, the Giants blew us out of the water with time of possession just because the defense kept scoring.

Speaker 2: 41:34

Bro, our defense was off the fucking charts like like like they.

Speaker 1: 41:38

They drove down the field. They went to kick the field goal, got blocked. Mm-hmm, we're trying to for a touchdown. Defense goes right back out there. Typically that means the other teams gonna score because the defense is tired. Mm-hmm, stop them again. So then, finally, that gets going. He gets this field goal. The other the issue I think the Cowboys are gonna have are the wide receivers again, because cooks is cooks has injured a lot. Mm-hmm Ferguson's a great tight end, but how many drops that he had last week? He had a couple that were big, yeah, so did Turpin.

Speaker 2: 42:08

Turpin drop the screen pass like so time of possession Last week with the Giants Cowboys game was Giants had 33 minutes 28 seconds oh, I thought it was way worse than that and Cowboys had 26 minutes 32 seconds.

Speaker 1: 42:22

Oh, that was way worse. It felt way worse than that.

Speaker 2: 42:24

I mean honest.

Speaker 1: 42:25

I've been in the second half.

Speaker 2: 42:28

I mean, could also the rain been effected in Dax play last week? 100 I think.

Speaker 1: 42:33

I honestly think he just came out was like I don't have to win this game, I just have to not lose it, and that's what he did, yeah.

Speaker 2: 42:39

I just I Would like to see Dax play the lights out that he's known for playing. I don't care if it's a give me win or not go out there and play the fucking game that you're known.

Speaker 1: 42:50

Yeah well, I think last week was a perfect shot to just be like all right, listen, let's just not get hurt, let's make it through this game, not get hurt and do just enough to make sure that we're keeping our defense. Okay, mm-hmm, and that was perfect. That's all we needed to do last week, but nothing like this week. He's probably gonna, he's probably gonna put it up. That just those numbers by himself. Oh then, just Pollard only had. Pollard didn't even hit 100 and rushing no, he only had like 70 couple yards.

Speaker 2: 43:20

Damn it. We're gonna make me go back. Let me go back and look I.

Speaker 1: 43:24

Want to say it's 74, 75, something like that that's your first.

Speaker 2: 43:32

Tony Pollard didn't look like himself last week either, but he on 14 carries he had 70 yards. That's not bad, mm-hmm, that's average in like six yards carry yeah no, I'm just under that's five exactly, isn't it? That's yeah yeah, that's five yards. Carry Isn't bad. That's good numbers. No, that's great numbers, it's just I. So, like me being me, you know as well as I do Tony Pollard was a breakout player last year.

Speaker 1: 44:03

Yeah, well, like this. Is that? This is the thing we're talking about with the Giants? I got a certain point. Like the Cowboys looked at, that game was like let's not show our hand.

Speaker 2: 44:11

Yeah, you know what I mean. Yeah, I mean, fuck, you had Deuce von going in there and Deuce von Didn't look bad. I mean, he was only averaging 1.3 yards a carry, but he got every yard he could. Yeah, yeah, kavante Turpin, mm-hmm was killing it. Honestly, the Dallas's running backs.

Speaker 1: 44:30

I like how they finally found what they wanted in Tavon, austin and Turpin to to be that like swing back or receiver running back.

Speaker 2: 44:37

Yeah, we'll see. So like what they, I don't think they use Tavon correctly because they didn't really use him as a swing back A whole lot. I mean they did, but not yeah, but they didn't use him like they used turpent.

Speaker 1: 44:50

Yeah, but I think turpins built more for it. Yeah, but I mean so. Tony Pollard was a receiver in college, mm-hmm. So like they don't, they don't have a true. Well, ricoh doubt, whatever his name is, he's not bad. He's like the only true running back on the team. Not do's von, I Mean yeah, but he's still not a conventional running like you can't do. His Vaughn is amazing. He's gonna do great things. He is not Zeke Elliott, he is not say quant, he's not that guy. You can go in there and give him the ball 30 times a game he is gonna get. He is definitely gonna get hurt. He's, he's a more than a reason. He's a Darren Sproles where, like you bring him in, he picks his spots. You can use them, you can use them well, but like he's not an every down guy, nope, he's not a Zeke.

Speaker 2: 45:33

But honestly I don't even think Zeke was a Zeke, right, well, because think about it, right, like Zeke's good years.

Speaker 1: 45:41

Well, I mean everybody needs a break. Let's be honest yeah, 100%. These guys especially that they're getting hit. They're getting hit hard, they're getting hit by big people. They're gonna wear down, they're gonna break down, but they don't have that true Hand on the ball and he's downhill running like he can't put his. Like Tony Pollard can kind of put his shoulder down a little bit, but he's not a big guy either. You know what I mean. Like they just don't have that physical running back.

Speaker 2: 46:02

Yeah, but I think that's what helps Dallas's run game is you have them running backs that can make dynamic plays. That can I mean. Look at Tony Pollard last year before breaking his ankle. Yeah, you, if it was open field nine times out of ten, you were missing that tackle. Tony Pollard was making you miss 100%. You weren't getting that was he, he was.

Speaker 1: 46:21

I don't think he was technically the starter. Whenever I started playing him in fantasy, he was just getting more points and Zeke.

Speaker 2: 46:26

Yeah, yeah, dude, do my fantasy team this year.

Speaker 1: 46:32

This is my first year didn't do fantasy in so long, yeah, so I've got two fantasy.

Speaker 2: 46:36

Not great.

Speaker 1: 46:37

It is and not sit here at one o'clock and be like what's my team doing? Did I get my lineup started? Did I get everything set? Like somebody hurt.

Speaker 2: 46:44

I've got on my one team. So I've got two leagues. I got the one with Aaron Tenney that I played last year, yeah, and then I got one for the military that I'm playing in, which that's my ESPN league. My team is I Got Geno Smith, a QB bad, aaron Jones at running back, javonte Williams at running back, amon raw St Brown at wide receiver, mike Evans at wide receiver, travis Kelsey at tight end, mike Williams as my flex player, dallas's defense, and Tyler Bass is my kicker. Now, here's where it gets real. Shaky is who my backups are. I got Breeze Hall Dobbins, whose I are, yeah, dak Prescott, odell Beckham, jr.

Speaker 1: 47:54

Greg Everett, I'm not, I'm, I'm scared for you.

Speaker 2: 47:59

Eagles defense Zack Moss. Where's he at now, andy? Okay, and who's him? Who's sitting in my IR slot is Cooper Cup, oh, oh damn, that's a big one.

Speaker 1: 48:21

Yes, yeah, it is dude. I remember we sat there one year at drafting and I want to say it was in. Jarrett McKinnon was still with the 49ers, mm-hmm, guy drafted him. Games are going on like the preseason games and he fucking towards ACL like 20 minutes later after this Dude drafted and we were all just like, oh, and that was the last year we drafted before preseason was over, dude like yeah.

Speaker 2: 48:47

Now my yahoo team, lamar Jackson, tyree kill. So you're one of the championships over there, deandre Hopkins.

Speaker 1: 48:59

I have it his out.

Speaker 2: 49:00

Where's he at now? I?

Speaker 1: 49:00

forget Tennessee.

Speaker 2: 49:01

Okay, tony Pollard, cam Acres, TJ Hawkinson and. And hang on, I can't remember this guy's name Marquise Brown from Atlanta. My backups for wide receiver, quarterback and running back is Elijah Moore from Cleveland. Yeah, higby for my tight end, yep, dak Prescott, homer penny from Philly and and Bateman from Baltimore. No, okay, there's a reason. I picked up Dak in both leagues. You want to know what my league won't want. My team name is what hit me with your Prescott. I love it. And then my kicker is gay from Indy. And Then I've got since these defense in New England's defense.

Speaker 1: 49:55

Fair enough, like, yeah, I'd draft a pretty fucking well this year, I'd say well, and the thing is like you have the other league, the first league you talked about. I Never really cared much about my bench. I'd take like some long shots whenever he came to like backups because by the end of it you know you're making at least 20 moves a year. Mm-hmm, and that's if you're lucky.

Speaker 2: 50:15

I don't make moves. Oh really, the only time I start making moves throughout the year is like if someone gets hurt and I'm like, fuck, I can't like. You know what I mean?

Speaker 1: 50:24

Yeah, see like I know there's gonna be breakout players. My the issue I always had was overthinking stuff, mm-hmm. That's why I don't make moves.

Speaker 2: 50:31

Yeah which, granted you should, I should make more moves. I'll probably do way better than fantasy if I did. Yeah, but the way I draft I'm like, okay, so this player, this player and this player have bi-weeks, yeah, who can I pick up in case, like say, I pick up Kelsey, right, who can I pick up to if Kelsey gets hurt, to put in his place to score just as well or a little bit under? What if it's Kelsey's bi-week? So whenever I'm drafting, I'm thinking about who am I gonna have on my bench to be my replacement players?

Speaker 1: 50:59

Yeah and like. But the thing like injuries happen on both sides of the ball. So like there are, you have like, if I know that this team has a bad linebacker core, their safeties are kind of shaky. Like they're not really good at coverage, like I'm gonna pick up whatever tight in there playing that we. There was one point where like Got kept dropping defenses and picking up another one next week just because they're playing a certain team. Mm-hmm, like you can really like maneuver that stuff to make it work for you a lot.

Speaker 2: 51:27

But with how busy I am in life, like I don't yeah, yeah, I get that too like you know what I mean. So I'm a pick, a team. That, yeah, like you know what, if it wasn't for the fact that Cowboys were playing just this week, that would be in over Gino and Lamar. Yeah, but that deep.

Speaker 1: 51:41

Their defense is great. Yeah, like they're solid.

Speaker 2: 51:44

Yeah, but I mean shit the fact that dude last. Where is that game? Is it in Dallas? Yes, I Mean shit, man. Let's just talk about last week, whenever I completely forgot to pull Cooper cup and Travis Kelsey out of the game. I scored 110 points still.

Speaker 1: 52:03

There, I don't know what a lot of points is for you because, remember, my league was like we were scoring like 200 and you're like, how the hell did you do that?

Speaker 2: 52:09

I'm well, I'll do only score 80 and win, I think I think, both the leagues. I'm in our PPR, okay. So this leak here? No, never mind this. So I scored 110 with Lamar, tyree kill, deandre Hopkins, tony Pollard, camakers, higby and more in, and then obviously gay. And since his defense, yeah, 110 points. Tyree kill went up for 39 fucking points last week. Yeah, my next highest score was Tony Pollard, with 21, but he did have two touchdowns in it, yeah, yeah. Now my ESPN league is the one that I completely forgot to swap out Kelsey and Cooper cup. Okay, so my two players didn't even fuck him. Yeah, excuse me, I'm sorry. Y'all, I, this man, are not taking a fucking weird shit right now. Let's go connect to the other ones and get the shit to lose. But literally, man, I won both my games last week. You know how long it's been since I've won both, like if being in multiple leagues and winning every game of the leagues I'm in. It's been a long time since that's happened. Match up. Let me go back to week one.

Speaker 1: 53:40

Can we talk about Thursday night football actually got good this year? Yeah, everybody was up the bunch of Eagles pages. We're talking shit about how they're now America's team because they had the most stream Thursday night game in NFL history like one prime video. So gets the first real game that's ever been on prime video with the fuck you mean.

Speaker 2: 54:00

So so last week, with Cooper Cup and Kelsey both out, I scored 110 points. Still damn. Geno Smith put up nine makes sense. Jones put up 24, dobbins put up nine obviously he got her. Yeah. St Brown put up 13, williams put up five, dallas put up 35 and bass put up 13. Jesus like yeah.

Speaker 1: 54:33

The thing that's always plagued me in fancy is injuries, and by the time someone gets injured you're not picking someone else up, that's literally like I'll start doing whenever I was on I was on the waiver wire, like during Sunday games, like Because once that first game kicks off, like once they start playing, like you can go ahead and put in your bid for the Wednesday. So that's how I always did it. And then, like I come back on Wednesday and like do a double check before, like noon or whatever the time was, maybe Tuesday nights after your time. But yeah, it's like you know bathroom time. Get off Facebook for a minute.

Speaker 2: 55:06

I'm so tired of being on Facebook.

Speaker 1: 55:08

Dude, it's. That's like the bane of my existence. Like I would love to not have to be on Facebook as much as I am hold up, something just fucking happen. Do we lose everything?

Speaker 2: 55:20

No, now we're good, all right. I was like, oh shit, no, we're still going. No, uh, I, I. I went to unplug the charger from the laptop and the screen went black. I've seen that. I was like that's not good.

Speaker 1: 55:38

Yeah, you know, at like time when, like the power goes out, like all the electronics dying, you just have that, like you realize the electricity is not going and like you have that feeling. I had that feeling. I'm like, oh fuck I.

Speaker 2: 55:49

Mean bright side is is, even if the computer would have like, completely locked us out, it wouldn't have closed the. Yeah, that's, that's the nice thing about new technology. Even if, like, the computer shuts down, it keeps everything open that you had open, whatever it. Yeah, but who's? Who is your playoff pick this year? Like to NFC if you had to pick today to go to the Super.

Speaker 1: 56:15

Bowl. No, just go see a playoff. All the Cowboys gonna play off for sure. I Don't know why, I don't know how. No, I have to lie because the Lions I think the lines are gonna take the north, I think it's gonna be them in the Packers fighting it out. It's hard to judge the Packers because, again, they played the Bears and, like every year, the Bears have this team and every year there's excitement around the Bears and then, like the Bears play their first game, everybody's like, okay, no, that's all the Bears.

Speaker 2: 56:39

I'd like to see the Bears put Tyler badgin and and see how he does I.

Speaker 1: 56:44

Think they need to. They need to do something because, like just, I don't think Justin Fields is bad, I think Justin Fields needs a new start. You know it would be scary. Hmm, imagine this Justin Fields to the fucking Rams.

Speaker 2: 56:57

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 56:58

I think they would be able to turn him around.

Speaker 2: 57:01

Well, so, like what here's here's, here's my take on everything. Right, every quarterback plays great under certain schemes, right? Let's take Russell Wilson, for example. Played amazing at Seattle.

Speaker 1: 57:16

He was a true system quarterback, because he is dog shit now in.

Speaker 2: 57:19

Denver. Yeah, now let's take Geno Smith. Dudes been in the league for 10 years.

Speaker 1: 57:25

I think it's, I guess, further proof that like that's a system court, like they need a system quarterback there. I think Geno approves it because Geno was Daniel out of the league, mm-hmm Whenever he went to Seattle, mm-hmm like.

Speaker 2: 57:41

Yeah, and when had the fucking season?

Speaker 1: 57:43

he had. Imagine Justin Fields. I don't know, justin Fields in Seattle might not work because he's still not. He's got, he's got to get that, he's got to get that pocket presence about him. He just doesn't. Mm-hmm.

Speaker 2: 57:53

Geno Smith has a pocket presence but knows when to tuck and run. Yeah, but he's been doing that since in college.

Speaker 1: 57:57

But let's, whenever he was trying to hit DJ more last week, like Fields didn't look bad, but like you had to figure in whenever it comes down a quarterback, like there are very few exceptions to this, like I like, if you don't give Peyton Manning a offensive line, he's not good. Same thing with Tom Brady, yeah, like you've got to be able to. Your line has to be solid, mm-hmm. And they don't even necessarily have to be great, they just have to know how to work together.

Speaker 2: 58:25

Yep.

Speaker 1: 58:25

You know what I mean. I mean dude that's.

Speaker 2: 58:28

That's honestly any NFL team let's know that's football in general.

Speaker 1: 58:31

Yeah, that's not. That's I'm talking high school. It doesn't matter. Like if you can't protect and block for your people, you can't, you're done.

Speaker 2: 58:39

Mm-hmm, it doesn't matter how good the players are.

Speaker 1: 58:42

No, like it was my one, not everybody like. Barry Sanders is one of the greatest running backs of all time. We're splitting hairs whenever we compare these people. Let's be honest, but a lot of people always talk about how bad his line was, and I don't believe his line was ever as bad as people say they were. I Think this guy, he had a vision. He very see what made him great was his vision and and if he, the play was designed to go this way, his blockers would go this way. Is it gonna fuck? We're going back this way. Yeah, you can't block for that. You know what.

Speaker 2: 59:12

I mean.

Speaker 1: 59:12

It's like Michael Vic, you can't block. If you're Michael, you just have to hope you're. You know where he's at Mm-hmm, you know what I mean? Yeah, so like it's all about your line there, like if you're, they're not blocking for you, you're not gonna be anything.

Speaker 2: 59:25

No, I mean let's, let's, uh, let's use a prime example Tony Romo.

Speaker 1: 59:32

Yeah, but it's time they got him an offensive line. His back was gone, mm-hmm, like he had. I think Smith was there for a good portion of his career, but not all. They was still towards the tail end of it, mm-hmm. Yeah, I still remember the game. Everybody always talks shit about Tony Romo. I still remember the game where he literally fractured his back and came back in and led the drive to beat Washington and and then miss the next week cuz his back was fractured.

Speaker 2: 1:00:01

I would have liked to have seen what Tony Romo could have done With the offensive line. Dallas had Dax rookie year I.

Speaker 1: 1:00:11

Would have liked to have seen what he would have done with a line of that caliber when he was in his earlier years, because by the time that that last season came around, he he got hurt. In what preseason that year? Right, that's how, that or no, he was still recovering from the previous year.

Speaker 2: 1:00:25

No, no, he. He fucked up his collarbone again that year. That's how that got.

Speaker 1: 1:00:30

Remember Dax. I remember Dax started week. He was out of the gate.

Speaker 2: 1:00:33

He started, I Think, for a move got hurt in preseason because Kellan Moore snapped his leg.

Speaker 1: 1:00:40

Yeah, and that's how cuz Dak was quarterback three and that's how Dak moved up through to a quarterback one. Mm-hmm, and let's not split hairs here either, like Dak, prescott was never supposed to be good. No, he was a fourth round pick into the fourth round. What the complimentary? Well, you know what I mean. Is it complimentary? He's not complimentary. Whatever those picks are called, they give teams every year. There's just random draft picks. Compensate compens, the compensation picks, whatever that it. Anyway, there's a word for it. I'm dumb, it's fine. Um, he was never supposed to be the future of the franchise. He was never supposed to be what he is, and I think he's. I don't think he's bad. I think he's probably around 10 7. You probably find seven quarterbacks without an argument that are better than him in the NFL. Mm-hmm.

Speaker 2: 1:01:22

Well, I mean the only reason, don't deal for one a Super Bowl yeah. Well, dude, the only reason I give Dak shit after last year is the fact that he missed the amount of weeks he did and then led the league in interceptions.

Speaker 1: 1:01:34

Well, so there was one game in particular. I forget who they played. Kellan Moore ran a stupid offense, Mm-hmm. He did not have the players to run. Every play was options.

Speaker 2: 1:01:44

Mm-hmm.

Speaker 1: 1:01:46

People weren't running routes. They all had option routes. So if they read this coverage Now they have to read the same coverage, dax reading, and then they all have to read it. There was one play there was once there was one game where CD lamb and Dalton Schultz did the same thing to each other.

Speaker 2: 1:02:05

Oh, 100 cent. It was the one where Dalton Schultz was supposed to come underneath. Yeah, so.

Speaker 1: 1:02:09

CD lamb ran the post like he was supposed to, but Dalton Schultz read it to where he ran the post, so they're both running posts. It's a timing around Mm-hmm. As soon as he sees Dalton Schultz plant, he's throwing the football. There's nobody there, mm-hmm, because he ran the wrong route. So, like, a lot of those interceptions are weird, plus, that's beyond. He came back way earlier than anybody thought whenever he heard. Whenever he initially broke his thumb, it was like a two to three month recovery or something like that, if I remember correctly, and he came back in like a month and a half. He came back in six weeks. I think they had to buy in there like All in all it wasn't. I Think last year was still just a throwaway. I think Kevin Moore was the issue and I've always thought that because before everybody's talking about him having all these interceptions, last year was the only year that he was bad at turning the ball over. Really.

Speaker 2: 1:02:58

Oh, I Think right I.

Speaker 1: 1:03:04

Think, like the last two years were his two worst turnover years, like last year and year before that.

Speaker 2: 1:03:12

Mm-hmm.

Speaker 1: 1:03:15

Also don't remember what year he was hurt her. That was a year before last, wasn't it?

Speaker 2: 1:03:19

Do you? He snapped his ankle.

Speaker 1: 1:03:21

Yeah, I Think he was. I think he was heading down a bad turnover rate that year too.

Speaker 2: 1:03:27

Mm-hmm. Career-wise he's a hundred and sixty six touchdowns With 65 interceptions. It's not bad.

Speaker 1: 1:03:41

No, that's so hard with all those well eight years. This is his eighth years at seven years of starting, that's less than ten a year and he had 15 last year, 14, 13 something I got or 15. You lead the league. I've two me numbers going around my head. Can't remember all of them.

Speaker 2: 1:04:01

I wish he has to be, and let you go and break down the area right. Mm-hmm, here we go, found it. So 2016, his rookie year, he went 16. He played 16 games, completed 311 passes out of 459 solid yeah. 367 pass yards, 23 touchdowns for interceptions yeah. Played lights out yeah. Next year was 22 for 13 22 touchdowns, 13 interceptions.

Speaker 1: 1:04:44

Okay, that's so kind of well again the 13 so high mm-hmm.

Speaker 2: 1:04:51

But it's a lesson, one game 2018 was 22 touchdowns, eight interceptions Not bad. 2019 Was 30 touchdowns, 11 interceptions. 2020 is the year that he only played five games. Siri broke his ankle. Nine touchdowns for interceptions.

Speaker 1: 1:05:19

Yeah, he was on. That was gonna say he was on trace, or because I'm well, we're not counting fumbles and stuff in there either, and I feel like that's a little too much to look up right now.

Speaker 2: 1:05:26

Yeah, 2021 was year he came back from the broken ankle, passed for over 4,000 yards, played all 16 games and was 37 touchdowns, 10 interceptions. Last year, yeah, played 12 games Through 2,860 yards mm-hmm. 23 touchdowns, 15 interceptions.

Speaker 1: 1:05:50

Yeah that's, that's terrible for mm-hmm, that's more than one a game, yeah, but I don't know, I really don't, I don't know. I still don't think he's. He's not the greatest by any means, no, but there's. After Patrick Mahomes, I talked to this so, after Patrick Mahomes, who's the next elite quarterback in the league right now? The only one that Joe Burroughs, the only one that really comes to mind.

Speaker 2: 1:06:17

But I don't even like Joe Burroughs. Good, he's not on Pat Mahomes level.

Speaker 1: 1:06:21

No, like you have Pat Mahomes and then everybody else is below that somewhere.

Speaker 2: 1:06:25

But see, I'd like to see Patrick Mahomes on another team, because Patrick Mahomes does what he does. His first few years in the league he had Tyree Kill and Travis Kelsey. Yeah. Now, like well, kansas City is doing the perfect.

Speaker 1: 1:06:41

Let's think about last week, like, like the there's a picture that breaks it down he threw a pick six, mm hmm, literally through his receivers hands. It was in his hands. It wasn't an awkward catch, it wasn't a stretch, it was a pretty in, it was a perfect pass. You could not, he couldn't have. Went out, he couldn't. Went out there and handed to him in the opposition that well, and it was a pick six. Like honestly watching last week's game.

Speaker 2: 1:07:13

I don't think Kansas City was firing on all cylinders.

Speaker 1: 1:07:16

Well, I think, tony, I don't think he played. I don't think he played much in the preseason, like he was cut off of some sort of injury in the preseason. He didn't play much in the preseason either. Yeah, we're talking about the chiefs game. So like in that particular instance, because the chiefs played in the preseason. Yeah, Like Pat Mahomes, at one point I think they they had, they were playing kind of rough. So Andy Reek kept them in there for like way longer than anybody thought they were going to play. So like I think there is. I think there is some issues there because like the first couple of years, so his first year he sat until the last game. He covered for Alex Smith. The next year he started from the get go and he's been on a tear since then. But like those first two or three years he was there starting. He had the same core every year. Fast forward to last year and he didn't have Tyree Kill anymore, he had Juju Smith Schuster, who was new, he had. He didn't have Sammy Watkins anymore, he had, he had new people around him. So then again, come back to this year. Now he doesn't have Juju anymore, he doesn't have. So like there's a lot of turnover at receiver there Nicole Hardman left, like there, I don't know, and like they're just he doesn't have that camaraderie now. Yeah, Well, I mean think about. Well, aside from Tom Brady, Peyton Manning had Marvin Harrison. Whenever Marvin Harrison was going, he had Reggie Wayne. When he went to Denver, he had um Thomas, you know what I mean. So like he always had that receiver, Tom Brady always had that receiver Did he, yeah, he had okay towards the. He had Edelman. Edelman was probably the first solid one for a long time. Wes Welker was solid, Amondola was solid, but look at what they did with other teams Absolutely nothing. He had Randy Moss for one year and look what the hell they did. He had Randy Moss longer than one year. Look at him. I'm pretty sure it was one.

Speaker 2: 1:09:04

It was two, three seasons Hell.

Speaker 1: 1:09:05

Oh, I'm sorry, I'm sorry.

Speaker 2: 1:09:12

How long did Randy Moss play for the Patriots? Four seasons, was it four? He played four seasons. What the hell happened? What do you mean? What happened? Cause they only had that one big year, right? No, bro, randy Moss and Tom Brady were hooking up for a while.

Speaker 1: 1:09:36

I don't, I don't think it was only one year.

Speaker 2: 1:09:38

Randy Moss played for the New England Patriots for three seasons. Okay, so it was three seasons from 2007 to 2010. During his time with the Patriots, he set the record for the most receptions yeah, the most touchdown receptionist single season, with 23. He was also named to the Pro Bowl. Yeah, randy Moss was a fucking dog, and he got hurt last year there.

Speaker 1: 1:10:05

Okay, yeah, well, he had the one huge year that was a 23 touchdown year.

Speaker 2: 1:10:11

Yeah Well, oh seven. He had 98 receptions for 1,493 yards and 23 touchdowns. What year did Brady get hurt? Was that a week? Two thousand eighties so, at 69 receptions for over a thousand yards and 11 touchdowns.

Speaker 1: 1:10:30

Two thousand nine he had 83 receptions 2008 was a year that he hurt his knee. That's why his sketches are so low that year.

Speaker 2: 1:10:41

But he had 80, 2009. He had 83 catches for 1,264 yards, 13 touchdowns.

Speaker 1: 1:10:47

That's dude, these are still great numbers for a lot of people. Okay, but still, he only had Randy Moss for those couple of years.

Speaker 2: 1:10:54

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 1:10:55

So we're still only talking about two seasons with Tom Brady and Randy Moss, because the one year Tom Brady got hurt, first game of the year yeah, he still. But who was it before that he went to see? I remember he left and went to Seattle and he was complete and utter trash, like he didn't even make, he wasn't even a starter. I think Anthony Thomas was running back, that's not him, I. They had like so many receivers before that, like whenever they first started winning Superbowls, like Danny. Danny Amondola was a great slot receiver but he kind of took off with the Rams too, I guess. So that might be the one. West Welker was solid at the dolphins but he wasn't a superstar. He was good, he was definitely more than good, but he wasn't like top tier until he went to the Patriots.

Speaker 2: 1:11:35

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 1:11:36

Then he went to the Browns or something after that with like he kind of screwed himself with where he went.

Speaker 2: 1:11:42

Well, west Welker, I think, went to Denver after the Patriots.

Speaker 1: 1:11:48

He went somewhere and he wasn't quite as great as what he was with the Patriots. He was still again. He was solid, but he wasn't like top tier numbers. If I remember correctly, this also been fucking forever. How many.

Speaker 2: 1:12:00

Yeah, let's see how many Superbowls West Welker has. So he played for the dolphins, went to New England and went to Denver. Professional career oh, he played for this. No, that doesn't mean nothing. New England he got traded to New England in 07. No, I don't want professional career.

Speaker 1: 1:12:27

I want Superbowls. How many Superbowls does he have?

Speaker 2: 1:12:31

He's played in three Superbowls and lost all of them. Really, holy shit.

Speaker 1: 1:12:41

I'm not for sure. He was on one of them Damn, so he played in 2011.

Speaker 2: 1:12:48

I'm sorry, 2008. That was the New England, New York Giants first one. Yeah. Lost it 2012 Super Bowl New England versus New York Giants Lost again 2013 Super Bowl played for Denver and Seattle 43 to 8.

Speaker 1: 1:13:08

Holy shit, dude, that's rough. Yeah, all right. One more thing before we're done here. Do you think Dan Marina would serve for 6,000 yards in today's NFL? No, I agree, no. The NFL is way faster than whenever he played.

Speaker 2: 1:13:27

Yeah Well, I mean to be fair. I think Dan Marina and Drew Brees are very similar in their play styles.

Speaker 1: 1:13:32

I think Dan Marina was a bigger dude, obviously, yeah.

Speaker 2: 1:13:37

It's kind of hard to be smaller than Drew Brees.

Speaker 1: 1:13:38

but yeah, and Drew Brees didn't do it? No, he was still putting up numbers until, I guess you could kind of see his arm dying off those last two years he played, yeah, drew Brees.

Speaker 2: 1:13:57

I'm trying to. What was Drew Brees best season?

Speaker 1: 1:14:09

He had the. I thought he had the record for yards in a season at one point.

Speaker 2: 1:14:13

His best season for yardage was 2011 through for 5,476 yards Okay.

Speaker 1: 1:14:22

I was just saying I knew he was on that list somewhere.

Speaker 2: 1:14:24

Was it Hang on? Was that the same year Postseason? What year did they win the Super Bowl?

Speaker 1: 1:14:36

I thought it was like 09.

Speaker 2: 1:14:38

Yeah, now let's look up Dan Marino's wiki.

Speaker 1: 1:14:53

Well it's 5,084 is where he set the record in 84. Yeah, Dan Marino's best year is 5,084 yards but it was also a different league back then. You know what I mean. Like you could hand check, you could, you could play defense. Like nowadays, man, it's a little rough.

Speaker 2: 1:15:24

I've said this for the last few seasons the cornerbacks in defense, their hands are tied, yeah, and you have refs calling games differently, right, yeah, like you have some refs that if the cornerback's not even looking at the ball and is just playing the player, they're going to throw pass interference, but then you have other refs that aren't going to call that, yeah. So that right. There is one thing where I'm like man, like either. The NFL needs to do a school for these refs and force them to go through it.

Speaker 1: 1:15:58

Have they went to a full time refs yet? No, I remember I was just talking about it a couple of times like, because they all have like, literally they all have day jobs, yeah, yeah, which is insane Like that's insanity yeah.

Speaker 2: 1:16:12

And it's honestly refs. The last few years and this isn't just me saying this as a Dallas fan the refs have literally made and broke games.

Speaker 1: 1:16:22

I mean, it's been like that forever though. Yeah, honestly, with how fast the games gotten, with how ridiculous some of these rules have gotten and how like strict a lot of this stuff's gotten. I don't like to blame the refs too often. Yeah, there are some like egregious things sometimes and you're like what, but typically, like it's, they're pretty like yeah, well, let's look at Cincinnati in the Super Bowl.

Speaker 2: 1:16:47

That's like the one thing that I'm just like. Yeah, like you know what I mean. Wait which one Cincinnati's last Super Bowl appearance.

Speaker 1: 1:16:55

Okay, what happened You're going to remind me?

Speaker 2: 1:16:57

So you had it was that final drive whenever they were in the red zone and you are getting ready to get into the red zone and you had that linebacker that got called for pass interference whenever he was literally diving to a slot the ball and just bumped into the receiver yeah, he didn't hold him or nothing.

Speaker 1: 1:17:14

Yeah, that's shit yeah.

Speaker 2: 1:17:17

And then the game wasn't that Kansas City, they played in the Super Bowl that year they can't play Kansas City.

Speaker 1: 1:17:21

They're both in.

Speaker 2: 1:17:22

No, fuck, or was that the Rams?

Speaker 1: 1:17:26

That was the year the Rams won. Yes, I was trying to think of who won that year.

Speaker 2: 1:17:29

Yeah, you had all game where you could see Higgins getting held.

Speaker 1: 1:17:33

Well, yeah, well, what was it Last year? Last year was the big one and you can't not call that. I don't care if you let them play all game. Yeah, juju Smith Schuster got held. It disrupted his route, it kept him from getting to the ball. You have to call that. Yep. It was blatant, it was obvious, it was out in the open. Do people get away with it all the fucking time? But that one there there was no. There was clear line of sight from multiple, multiple officials. It was blatant. You could not. You could not call that. It wasn't like they were hand checking. It's not like they were fighting down this. It's not like they got a little too physical. He clearly grabbed his jersey and pulled him back At least a half a step, probably a whole step, mm. Hmm, like you have to call that Every time. I don't care if it didn't get called the rest of the game. Mrs Crunchtime, this is the end of the game. You can't not call it. Plus, I got to see a bunch of Eagles fans cry. I loved it.

Speaker 2: 1:18:39

Mm, hmm, I mean, I mean, I think that's the kind of thing that I need, to which the Eagles ain't looking like the Eagles this year.

Speaker 1: 1:18:48

They didn't look like the Eagles last year. The first couple games I'm not going to be excited till we play him. And by the time, this is the thing it's. It's. It's a bittersweet because by the time we play him, it's November. That's our first game with him. It's November 5th Not that I like mark that on the calendar or anything. Um, we play the Rams the day before my birthday and we play, I know these things. This is the first game with name as a strength. Yeah, I just want to say this. The first game, the去, the first game they faced, was ass aos. The first game points on the Cowboys. It was terrible. Cowboys still won, though. It's all matters. Yeah, but like I, kind of I want to see strength for strength. I want to see him be healthy. I want to see him make it to that game.

Speaker 2: 1:19:41

Yeah, 100%.

Speaker 1: 1:19:44

Damn what.

Speaker 2: 1:19:46

I'm looking at the cowboy schedule.

Speaker 1: 1:19:48

Yeah, it's, it's looking not bad, honestly.

Speaker 2: 1:19:51

I mean, uh, we get a rematch from the divisional round this year.

Speaker 1: 1:19:58

I'm not looking forward to that. I am looking forward to that one, and so we beat him in the playoffs.

Speaker 2: 1:20:02

It doesn't matter 100%, but it's going to be as long as everyone stays healthy. Yeah, it's literally a rematch from last year.

Speaker 1: 1:20:11

Fair, we got a couple extra pieces. I don't think they really got anything extra, right yeah?

Speaker 2: 1:20:20

The one game I'm pretty worried about this year. I'm worried about the Niners because it's in San Fran. Yeah, Um, the Eagles. I'm worried about all the in in division games because I'm worried about the.

Speaker 1: 1:20:36

Eagles. Well, yeah, I know Washington won their game the other day against the. Who the hell was the quarterback? Josh Dobbs?

Speaker 2: 1:20:43

Yeah, Well, no. So the reason I'm worried about in division games is how often is it that the NFC East plays up Right yeah, like we lost to the commanders last year.

Speaker 1: 1:20:55

It was a nothing game there.

Speaker 2: 1:20:56

Like I know, but yeah, but the NFC East games nine times out of 10, doesn't matter how fucking bad they are that year.

Speaker 1: 1:21:03

Well, because, we went on that run against Washington back in like right around 2000. I forget what the exact run was, but it was something like the Cowboys won like 16 out of 18 against the Washington and the Cowboys. It was the stretch where the Cowboys were literally dog shit picking in the top 10 yearly in the draft and Washington was like going to the playoffs and they just could not beat Dallas.

Speaker 2: 1:21:25

Yeah, but that's the thing with the NFC East is no matter how bad a team is that year. Look at, this is the other thing.

Speaker 1: 1:21:32

Look at the records that they have against Dak Prescott. It is wild that he gets so much hate when he has he's doing like his stat. You don't as a quarterback, you don't. I don't care about your stats, I care about what you do against the game. And there's other games where whenever he plays not the NFC East, maybe pretend like they're the NFC East, but Brad, you got anything you want to plug.

Speaker 2: 1:21:59

When is this one going to drop?

Speaker 1: 1:22:00

two weeks. Two weeks, maybe I have a band now. Go check out slide for sore eyes on Facebook. We might have a tick tox. You know? I don't know. Got some demos, we got some stickers. If you buy two stickers for $5, you get all the demos that we make. Sticker prices are outrageous. Not even kidding, we did the math and I'm like nobody's going to buy these stickers to any to where we make any sort of profit Like at all. What the fuck did you get your sticker Sticker mule Dumb.

Speaker 2: 1:22:29

They look cool and their hot sauce is amazing, so fuck it.

Speaker 1: 1:22:33

I got a deal in the next round of them. So the next ones are going to be cool. I'm going to be a little bit more serious about this. I'm going to be a little bit more serious about this. The next ones are going to be cool. We're trying to build up to like actual merge.

Speaker 2: 1:22:47

That's fair.

Speaker 1: 1:22:48

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 1:22:49

Got anything else you want to plug.

Speaker 1: 1:22:52

Trying to think of one exactly. So the 27th Well, the 28th of September, I'm in Pittsburgh and a place called the bridge music bar. It's really cool, it's awesome. The 29th, I am at interchange Tiki bar and brewing and Williamsport. It's like the Bowman complex. This place is literally badass. It's a Tiki bar in downtown Hagerstown. Well, williamsport, it's all Hagerstown. It's great drinks, great atmosphere. It is so fucking fun playing there. The crowd's always into it. I don't have to play free bird, don't have to play simple man, I can just play. It's great. And then Bellatara Vineyard in Bedford the 30th Never been there. Looks like a cool place, though.

Speaker 2: 1:23:36

Hell yeah, dude.

Speaker 1: 1:23:38

Vineyard Tate me, so we'll see if this, in terms of tides, back the other way.

Speaker 2: 1:23:41

Well, dude, thanks for coming in and hanging out with me, hey hang on, on this impromptu episode that I forgot about.

Speaker 1: 1:23:47

There's a rainy, miserable drive through the windy ass, tuscarora Pike, dude. I love that road so much, you know what. It's not a bad road if you have tread on your front tires.

Speaker 2: 1:24:01

Maybe you should get tread on your front tires.

Speaker 1: 1:24:04

Life's not fun that way. You gotta live dangerous.

Speaker 2: 1:24:06

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Speaker 1: 1:24:25

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Speaker 2: 1:24:26

Not yet. I want some though. Yeah, but we may be pulling out a tech line for phone cases and stuff as well. But that's more to come, and I hope you all have a great rest of your week. Be safe, be responsible, don't drink and drive Peace.