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What in the fuck is up everybody? Welcome back to another beautiful week of the Wilson King Podcast. I'm sitting down with two old friends of mine We've known each other since goddamn elementary school in Greenwood Who? That school ain't even open no more. Sitting down here with Sam and John Silver from Robby's Boys. What's up, man Guys, y'all, how's it going? It's so wild how life works sometimes, because the last time I saw Sam was at Rock the Panhandle last year, right, or was it two years ago? It was right before you went on a mission with the Air Force.

Speaker 3: 1:26

Yeah, I should probably say two years Yeah.

Speaker 1: 1:29

And then just randomly running into y'all at Appalachian Fest what? three weeks ago, yeah. And then now here we are sitting down shooting the shit. I didn't even fucking recognize you, john. No, a lot of people don't Dude, listen, i dude. it's mustaches. for what?

Speaker 4: 1:45

You know what I mean? Dude mustache changes everything.

Speaker 1: 1:47

Dude mustache came on point.

Speaker 4: 1:49

I've had the same glasses for two years and everybody's asking if I got new glasses. every time I see them, i don't know what it is, dude.

Speaker 1: 1:56

I've got soldiers. I'm in the army with that like. Whenever I'm in uniform I rock mustache all the time. You know what I mean. And I had soldiers. We were all sitting around just chilling and we started talking about age And I'm like I'm pretty sure I'm the oldest one like hanging out here. They're like yeah, they're like how old are you? I was like how old do you think I am? They're like 36. I'm like what the fuck? I'm like I'm 27. Like what are you talking about? And they're like it's the mustache. I'm like, well, it's nice little flavor saver. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4: 2:30

Yeah, i had one time where I did not have the mustache, where this guy asked how old I was. I said why don't you just guess how old I am? And he said, well, the voice is throwing me off, and at the time I was 23, 24, he gets 40 years old. I'm like dude. And then he said he's like, well, it's just the vibe you have all, but I'm like. And he tried to make it to where it was my fault somehow that he guessed 40. I'm like dude. That's your fault, not mine.

Speaker 1: 2:56

Dude. I mean, i feel like there's a lot of us kids that went through Greenwood that give off old vibes, because even a lot of people said that I present myself as someone who's way older than what I am By the way I talk and the way I present my words. I got brought up by a community of, like my great grandparents, my parents, my grandparents like old generations Yeah. And you know sometimes you know, if talking respectful to people is considered being old. I don't want to be young. You know I'm blaming you. So what is the story behind Robbie's Boys? Like that is one thing that has had me thrown off for a little bit. Like where did you all like? when did you all decide? like hey, like, let's like do music together.

Speaker 4: 3:47

Well, do you want to talk? Do you want me to tell it? Yeah, so so, first off, the name comes from our father. Because his name, everybody calls him Robbie. That's just what he's known as, and growing up everyone always called us Robbie's Boys. So we're like, well, that seems fitting, so let's just go with that, because we try to come up with something clever and weird. But we're like that is a perfect indicator of who we are, because everyone already knows us as that. So why call ourselves something different than what we are? Now? as for starting to make music, as we kind of got out of high school, i'd already been doing a lot of personal writing, doing poetry, short stories, things like that, mostly focusing more on the poetry side of it, and I'd worked on some folk things here and there, and Sam, of course, always like making music. He's played music as long as I can remember pretty much since I would say he's like eight years old never not seeing him have a guitar in his hand, and so we got to a point to where we're both kind of doing our own thing. But what I would do is I would just give him us basically scraps of things that I wasn't using. I would say here, you can use these for whatever you want, and then he would make music. And then we released this one EP, which you can't listen to anymore, but we released it anyway, and so neither one of us really talked about anything on it. It was just he did his thing, i did my thing, yeah he did all the music.

Speaker 2: 5:17

Yeah, it was awful.

Speaker 4: 5:19

He did all the music and I just wrote words and there was no common ground with it. And then we did another EP that we have, which is the Valley, where I was kind of in a spot where I was listening to a lot of classical guitar music. I was really into stuff like that. So I said why don't we just make a little tiny thing with that? And so we did that. And then we thought to ourselves why don't we just make a full album and see if we can do it? So then we created Sterling And even still the writing was a little not I would say we were working together but we weren't helping each other.

Speaker 3: 5:58

Yeah, it was like, I'm still just going to do my thing.

Speaker 4: 6:00

You just do your thing. I definitely want to hear this And you definitely want to do that, but we'll figure it out. We just put blinders on and just finished it.

Speaker 3: 6:10

Really, if you want to think about, it And it was sloppy The recording process of getting a drummer like you know, we're trying to get a drummer in The taster. So we're like paying our friends. Like you know, somebody can play drums or play something And we're like, yeah, let's hang out with our friends, pay them. But now we got to figure out how to record this stuff and do it in a decent way. So we figured that out, but the whole process of that was like I don't know how to do this. Let me research a bunch of stuff And then, you know, it was just back and forth, Yeah, trying to figure stuff out.

Speaker 4: 6:39

You know yeah, just kind of trying to create a leeway of some sort. And then we then we've been working for the last two years on our next album, which will come out in August. Believe on the 18th is the date that we set. So we've been working for about two years on that And we're a lot more proud of it because when we didn't have as many hiccups as we had, on the other ones but it genuinely felt like we were writing everything together. It wasn't oh, I'm only working on the words, you're doing all the music. It was me giving input, which I don't play any instruments, So you're not going to hear me physically on any other songs, But I just try to create each kind of structure of a lot of songs. If I hear something that could fit into a spot, I'm like why don't we put something here, do something there? Who can we get to help us work on these things and really make this a dynamic album and do?

Speaker 3: 7:31

something different, sounds more like a producer and writer. Like you know. He writes the words maybe I'll come up with something like one line, and like the whole album, i'm like, hey, let's change this. He's like that's cool. But basically he puts all the songs together. I just create the guitar tracks, come up with like a drum beat, but then we pay a drummer to come in and then we put it all together. But he's the guy that's like, hey, you're playing too much guitar. I like heavy metal, i like solos and stuff. But he's like, yeah, let's calm it down, let's not do that. It keeps me in line because we're trying to make something that's listenable to a more bigger audience instead of just like one thing. So he keeps us in line.

Speaker 1: 8:15

Metal rules the world buddy, i love metal I do love metal, but listen this project isn't metal. I mean do whenever it comes to like music theory and sound engineering, like I've tried doing it myself, like going looking up like YouTube videos, like how do I do this, how do I do that? And I just got to a point where I'm like, man, fuck this, i'm paying someone to do one. Like to do all my producing for me. Like because I don't. I've always loved music but I've never been musically talented or you know like gave enough of a shit about learning stuff to be like, okay, here I can go do this. I'm like I like the easy side of it. Oh hey, fucking slipknot, just release a new track, let's go listen to it. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3: 9:04

It's also, like you know, when it comes to editing. some people enjoy editing. Some people really enjoy diving deep editing, turning it around making it sound good, putting this part and that part together. Some people fucking hate it. And if you can pay somebody and help a friend, i say do that, help a friend that's actually enjoys doing it. Same thing with, you know, recording drums. Some people don't like recording drums. Some people do like recording drums. Okay, go to that guy. You know, just help your friends out. You know, if you don't like to do something, pay somebody.

Speaker 1: 9:36

The talent in this area for producing is insane.

Speaker 4: 9:40

It's so weird. It's insane Music is around here, Well dude.

Speaker 1: 9:44

I mean like on the producing side of it, right, you got Stefan and Tyler, who fucking kill it in Berkeley, oh yeah, you got Big J and Winchester, that fucking kills it. You got Connor from Future to Claimant Deathless, who fucking kills it with producing, which, granted, technically Connor isn't local anymore, but the dude's from Tape and.

Speaker 4: 10:08

Bridge, Yeah, all the people that have been around here that just create fantastic music honestly and are just experts at whatever instrument they're playing but also, at the same time, know how to record it and release it to a quality that is just as good as you could get from anywhere else. It's astounding to me.

Speaker 1: 10:29

I think we are finally in the age of the independent artist Absolutely 100% I mean with all the streaming services that are out there, like you don't need a record company to get your stuff in front of people. You might need to pay someone to help you with marketing. Absolutely, that's their job. That's their job.

Speaker 4: 10:45

That's why you have the production company now is they have the resources and financial stability to branch out and get it out further. That's what you use them for You don't use them to create your music because you don't for us. This is what I've always said to him is I don't have an issue with a production company coming in and wanting to help us push it out, but I don't want to give up any portion of ownership. Yeah, because it's 50-50 for us. Both of us have to agree on whatever we're doing. If one of us doesn't want to do it, we're not doing it. Whatever it might be, it could be the greatest idea in the world. He says no on it.

Speaker 1: 11:20

I'm not going to do it, dude honestly, man, whenever it comes down to it, content creating, being musicians like we all have, our nine to five.

Speaker 4: 11:27

Yeah, absolutely 100%.

Speaker 1: 11:29

And there ain't enough time in the day to put out content and be worried about your everyday life, Doing anything that is pushing to social media or getting ad write-ups, anything that's a full-time job in its fucking self. 100% Yeah. And the fact that we have so many indie, independent artists in this area that are like killing it right now is insane, And I love seeing it. I love highlighting what this area has to offer because you know, if you think about it right, we've all grown up in Berkeley Springs, Like Martinsburg, Berkeley Springs, Winchester, like people know about it but they don't know about it. You know what I mean.

Speaker 3: 12:14

Yeah, yeah, I don't think it's been as big as it has been recently, like that last show you know right live there. I don't think it's ever been like this. Like you can go out to heavy metal shows pretty much any weekend now, around here all the time, and I'm like, yeah, i want to go to those. I love heavy metal. It's amazing what's going on right now.

Speaker 4: 12:38

And it's weird to see that. And then I look at a lot of these people when they're the same age as us And some of them I'm like I went to high school with that person And it's like, but they managed to get to this point And it's something to kind of have a weird sense of pride and ownership for, because in a way we're the three of us are part of that community And we know all these people. And then you see how good they're doing. You just want them to do better.

Speaker 1: 13:00

Look at Future to Claim, for example. Right, oh yeah, we have watched every, we have seen every iteration of that band Because, like, literally, future to Claim was whenever we were all still in high school, like the idea of Future to Claim was there from that point on Absolutely. Yeah, i mean honestly, i had no idea Stefan could fucking play drums till that one talent show. Oh yeah, he's the man, That man is incredible. But it's just, it's awesome to see because you know you even got like Josiah Wilder and Phantom Hourglass.

Speaker 3: 13:29

Phantom Hourglass is fucking killer too, and Josiah used to be in Future to Claim. Yeah, you know yeah.

Speaker 1: 13:36

Yeah, it's, the talent in this area is insane And, like I know Sam's killer on a fucking guitar. I've been seeing him play guitar since we were in Greenwood. Yeah, like so.

Speaker 3: 13:47

So much talent, the hard part is getting the talent out, You know. I'm saying because they're here and they're killing it, but getting them to one, some people got to accept they're that good. I tell Stefan every day I'm like hey, man, you're the best drummer that I know. Like right beside me, right Like a house down from me, i'm like dude, keep doing your thing, keep doing it, keep going. You know, you got. You got to tell your friends that they're amazing. You can't hold that back, because if they are amazing, they are. And you got to keep pushing them. Because if you're not, if you're not pushing your friends to be great and even better than what they are now, then what are you doing? Yeah, you got to get them to where they're out playing shows, do as much as they can.

Speaker 1: 14:26

So, like I'm pretty involved in the EDM scene around here too And I've got the buddies that I was telling you about that came on a couple weeks ago from Florida Space Monk and Cyber Psycho. Yeah, i was, i was in it, yeah, yeah. And uh, that guy sent me a mix one time which, granted, 95% of the mix was fucking amazing. but he had one transition in there that like I called and I'm a tone-deaf motherfucker like I Can't hardly ever tell if something's out of key off speed like you know what I mean. Yeah, and the way the transition hit, i'm like That doesn't sound right. Just like he sent it to me before put shin it out. like that's another dope thing about being involved in the music scene. I get a lot of like pre-release music to, like you know, give like and like I tell everyone I'm like, listen, i don't have any or a few music I'm, i'm a fan, right, and I'm like I'm gonna give you a fans perspective on how this song sounds. That's the best that's the best to have. And I told him I'm like the mix is good. You just have that one spot where you've you've either got to swap up the transition or you got to figure out how to make that transition Work, because it's it's just, it's not working because that's something that can easily just take you out of the experience of listening to that album.

Speaker 4: 15:41

And that's what, and that's why I love albums. I don't listen to really songs and switch things up anymore. I focus a lot more on albums and I think that's what makes our next album. A lot better is, if you don't have an understanding of sequent sequencing and also How you're structuring the songs, then as you're working down through, you're gonna get to a point to where Something feels lost, something doesn't feel like it fits, and you don't really want that. You want people to be engaged, not because you want people to keep listening, but because that's what your art should be doing. It should keep them engaged the whole time. It's not a matter of getting clicks and things like that is It's if you're gonna put something out, make it worth somebody's time.

Speaker 1: 16:22

Well, I mean dude that's. I can honestly say I Have not really have heard any albums that I can listen front to back since like 2006.

Speaker 4: 16:34

Now, is that album since 2006, or is that just like for you How it works?

Speaker 1: 16:40

in your head for the sun. No, so like there's two albums in specific I'm talking three albums and specifically I'm talking about And it's a bench sevenfold city of evil. I can listen to that album front and back every fucking day, number one to the last song on it, bullet for my valentines, the poison album front to back every single time. Like there isn't a song on that album. That's like yeah, skip today, you know what I mean. And like Lincoln Park's minute to midnight, minutes to midnight album isn't another one. That's like, front to back. Now are there some songs on there that might get a little bit overplayed by me, and I'm like Yeah, I've listened to this way too much? obviously, yeah, but you know, there, there, there isn't. I don't hear a whole lot of albums that come out anymore. That's like I like every song on this, you know what I mean Yeah, and I don't know if it's the sequencing on it or, like I.

Speaker 4: 17:35

Think it requires a level of search. Yeah, for that, because that's something that I've never been a big Proponent of listening to modern music until about a year ago And I kind of forced myself out of my shell and stopped listening to things from the 70s. Now that does that mean I'm never gonna listen stuff from the 70s again or listen to stuff? Absolutely not, because I love music from the 70s and early 60s. But I've tried to engage myself in newer music. But I've Taken the time to really search for what I like, and there's a lot stuff I don't like that I hear, but it's I have. I'm gonna make that sacrifice and maybe I'll still find something I like within there, to find The treasures that you can hold on to it later.

Speaker 1: 18:18

Well, dude, that's like a fallout boy just released a redo of oh my god, i'm totally fucking blanking on the name of it.

Speaker 4: 18:28

Yeah, I just I think I saw something about that too. I didn't listen to it, but in memento We get the name of this.

Speaker 1: 18:33

I mean in the meantime, what's your like go-to band or artist from the 70s?

Speaker 4: 18:40

Um, i'm gonna kind of tweak your 70s question. I'll give you two answers, because the one band I love that I love is late 60s up to 71, which is the doors. I'm never not gonna listen, and Sam is probably in his mind right now when she's I'd be in my room.

Speaker 3: 19:06

We used to live together for what? five years, our whole life. I would be chilling in my room and This mother, you know, he would turn on the doors Every morning.

Speaker 2: 19:28

I would do the same song.

Speaker 3: 19:30

I would wake up to the same song every day for probably five years. Yeah, had to been five years, i can't.

Speaker 4: 19:36

I still said that ever again It's not gonna happen. I don't blame him.

Speaker 1: 19:39

I really know My would fall out boys song is we didn't start the fire.

Speaker 4: 19:43

That's right. That's what it was, Yeah but anyways.

Speaker 1: 19:46

So I'm a huge like whenever comes like late, like 60s, in the 70s, like I love, like Dionne in the Belmont's, the Archies, okay, like that whole, like I guess you can almost call like rockabilly ish types of can't stand, elvis, can't fucking stand, elvis Can't stand the fucking Beatles but I'll listen to the fucking beach boys all day long, so you'll listen to Pet sounds.

Speaker 4: 20:13

Yeah, that's a good album. That's really good album.

Speaker 1: 20:16

And but like whenever you hit 70s, like that's never, i start like taking a detour in life And like I'm more like a CCR type of guy, like that very Really weird air, because everyone was doing amazing music.

Speaker 4: 20:29

Oh yeah, there's no one and that I'm like this is shit. I mean, even if it is shit, it's so good, because If you think that's when psychedelics really started coming into play and so people start making weird stuff and weird music is, if you listen to our next album blazing into a patch, you'll understand we like weird shit.

Speaker 1: 20:48

No, i love there's weird stuff in it, yeah, well, like, even when it comes to EDM, like some of my favorite artists like make like that funk, like like funk bass You know what I mean I love that I'm into every style of music except for country music.

Speaker 3: 21:04

I can't get down. I can't do it, dog, but last night I can't get down to.

Speaker 1: 21:10

Your tractor sucks, i just can't do it dude, i'm gonna tell you right now some of the best fucking drinking music, though some of this newer country.

Speaker 4: 21:23

Oh yeah, we dance. I don't want it.

Speaker 1: 21:26

Now you turn on whiskey glasses in the bar and it's game over.

Speaker 3: 21:35

We had a bar, a pool table lights in our house.

Speaker 4: 21:38

See me, we had a problem. You're too much fun.

Speaker 3: 21:43

Had to stop drinking. it was that bad?

Speaker 4: 21:45

Well, that's not, that's not the reason I kept doing that, but nobody wanted to do it with me.

Speaker 1: 21:52

Dude.

Speaker 4: 21:54

Honest I but your question earlier. I just remembered for the 270s albums, 270s bands it's the doors and then Marvin Gaye. 100%. I love soul music. That's fair. I want you record There's not a one-bats on the night record. It's fair, Wallace.

Speaker 1: 22:16

What, what? what I love about this area is music is there isn't a genre that's not touched. Yeah, like, if you think about it right, you got very bluesy people around here, some bluegrass artists around here, a lot of fucking metal. But you also got country and like it's not, like you know, the New Age country, like they're like older country, like there's a lot of older like outlaw country influence and a lot of the music, i think you've done it, i wanted to say Afro beats.

Speaker 4: 22:45

But then I remembered Richard played. He plays all the drums for all of our stuff, Richard Hopkins and He knows after Afro Caribbean music. So he literally plays Afro beats on all of our stuff.

Speaker 1: 23:01

But I just, i just love that about this area, like there's, there's nothing. Nothing's impossible in terms of a genre no, and That's one thing that's beautiful about here is, you know, granted, we're in our own fucking ecosystem in Berkeley Springs, but you go to Berkeley and it doesn't seem like it's an ecosystem, maybe for outsiders who, like aren't from around here, like, but like, if you've been here your whole life, like you know that there's more to this town than just, oh yeah, fucking Redneck, or you know what I'm saying boy like oh, yeah, you can get that.

Speaker 4: 23:36

If you're, oh, if you don't want to look for anything outside of that, you are gonna get that. Oh yeah, but if you take the time to go outside of that, you absolutely can get more from it.

Speaker 1: 23:46

Well, i mean, how, how? how many small towns across the country have an art house in them? Yeah, like yeah like we have the ice house, yeah, which is for all art, it's not just for paintings and stuff, it's all.

Speaker 3: 23:59

I just I just learned, cuz my girlfriend likes to paint, she went there and you can pay $30 a month to put your art in there. So I'm like, dude, that's not bad if you're like a legit artist around here that wants to just try to sell it.

Speaker 4: 24:14

As long as you show. So one a month for 30 bucks.

Speaker 3: 24:17

If you sell it for a hundred bucks some, because some of that stuff's you know up there and people around here.

Speaker 4: 24:22

They don't mean this in a rude way. They'll buy fucking anything. They will I.

Speaker 1: 24:31

Mean, you're not wrong.

Speaker 4: 24:32

Yeah, they'll buy anything. But, you put passion into it and they can tell that you care about it, they'll buy it. Yeah, just because they're like, they did a good job with this.

Speaker 1: 24:40

They want to support you around. Good job. Well, believe it or not, some of the artwork on my walls is from a local artist around here.

Speaker 4: 24:48

There's nothing wrong with that.

Speaker 1: 24:48

That's awesome from from from one of our old art teachers.

Speaker 4: 24:51

You talk about the cat one. It back there.

Speaker 1: 24:53

Yes, miss Walter. Okay, yeah, i never had her. As I never had her, i never took art in high school.

Speaker 4: 25:01

I did, she didn't like me, she yelled at me a lot, heard things that in. That's a different discussion, but no.

Speaker 1: 25:11

It was super dope because I had a Phantom hourglass on the show or maybe I had just sigh on the show with shark pit. I just I own the show at something besides been on the show a lot, yeah. And She messaged me. I was like, dude, i love the show, it's awesome. This is at the third. I was like, well, you got any artwork like you're willing to get rid of? like what would be the cost? Yeah, and Like I was asking for like specifically like smaller stuff for, because I mean this room doesn't have a whole lot of wall space. Yeah, you're trying to fill it up, yeah. And uh, she randomly hits me up one day. I was like, hey, i got three pieces. Josiah is bringing you. I'm like, what do you want for him? She's like nothing. I'm like seriously, like all these here, yeah, all three of them are great. Yeah and um, but that's one thing I want to do in this studio is, like, whenever it comes, like the wall art, like I want it all to be just local artists.

Speaker 4: 26:00

It's something you can buy. Yeah, on Amazon. Yeah, cuz you ship it here in two days. Yeah, you pop on Amazon and you can get a lot of cool stuff on Amazon, but that doesn't have a connection.

Speaker 1: 26:10

No, and the local art here is Im impeccable. I mean shit. Look at Peyton Brown. Peyton Brown's fucking killing, is she I?

Speaker 4: 26:19

remember I haven't seen anything from her since high school, but I remember in high school because she was like a gray below me. She was an incredible artist back in high school And if she's still doing it now, I can only imagine how much better it is. And it was. Everything was so almost photo realistic back then. I can only imagine how good it is now.

Speaker 1: 26:36

Yeah, cuz she went to school for it too, so like she, got to like she honed that ability. Now, john, you don't just do music, you talked about writing poetry. Have you done anything with your poetry?

Speaker 4: 26:51

What do you mean by done anything like like? That could mean a couple different things. Okay, I have.

Speaker 1: 26:59

Do you take your poetry and release it in any way?

Speaker 4: 27:02

Oh yeah, like you can buy one Amazon the books that I've done. So I have three of them. One I just released like two weeks ago, but the first one I ever did was West on the doorstep. That's really a lot of I Conversations, i guess, conversations about whenever I like I did a big trip to LA and San Francisco, things like that. I've been Australia already at this point, so it was kind of just the world outside of Berkeley Springs. Looking beyond that. I've traveled. Here's the things that I've seen, here's where my brain kind of works. Then the one after that is called the madman, but it's written as madman comma. The And this is one of the poems is called the madman. So I wanted to be different, but that one's a little bit more about just concepts and ideas. And then this recent one is called when Sunday ends in blood and It has three chapters to it and the first chapter is Really about looking at the world from the lens of a radio host and how they would perceive it and Issues that they see, but also issues the radio host might have within this new world of. Weirdly enough, we're basically doing a radio show right here right now, but the radio is dead at the same time. No, we listen to the radio anymore. The podcasts are a huge thing. It's kind of an oxymoron. But so then the second chapter is is kind of my view on religion and spirituality and Journey throughout that within my life. And it's not to say that I'm fully religious or anything, but it just gives a perspective of how other people might view it and it's not just oh, you have to do this, this, this, this, this, this. It's Let's look more introspective towards it and what those feelings are. And then the last one is all the last in the final chapter. So the third one is really about Living, living by other people's expectations, even if they're not the expectations you put on yourself. So It's a very Intense read, i think, for if people would do read it, i don't think it's something that you're gonna want to read the whole thing in one shot and I don't think you should. You at least can do all three of the chapters. It's about 60 pages in total, so it's not a lot of material, but at the same time it's it's very dense and And I don't mean that in a way to like boast about it or anything, i just I've had a couple people read it and They asked me to stop reading at some points because it's a bit much for them. And I'm okay with that because to a degree that means that it's it's genuinely saying something. It's not just oh, here's a bunch of poems like I don't, i don't like lovey-dovey poems. You're not gonna get that for me If you, if you're coming for that, you might get in some early of some of my early work. But even then it was still not quite like that. But it's just, i have no interest now. I want to talk about ideas and concepts. I don't want to talk about all this. I feel like this person because at the end of the day, that's just gossip. Yeah, i'm not here to gossip about people. I'm here to explore things so we can have a conversation dude, 100%.

Speaker 1: 30:26

I mean honestly. I've had a Captain dad pool on the show from tiktok and He's a guy who he went to school, you know he's got a Bachelor's in biblical theology and he was going to school to be a pastor.

Speaker 4: 30:43

Mm-hmm.

Speaker 1: 30:44

Well, he came out of school, like out of college, with more questions and answers, mm-hmm. So he started like doing like outside of Chris, like being like Christian research. Mm-hmm and it turned him into an atheist. Mm-hmm and having that conversation was really cool because, like, whenever it comes to like religion, i'm very agnostic. Like I believe there's a higher power. I just don't know what the higher power is. You know what I mean Because, like, i ask myself all the time. I'm like what is the right religion? Right, like you know, you've got people who still practice North Pagan. You got Christianity, muslim, buddhism, hinduism, judaism, which Judaism is a branch of Christianity. Then you got Mormon, scientology.

Speaker 4: 31:28

That's not even talk about tribal religions. Those are religions too, but they're just so small in scope, yeah.

Speaker 1: 31:33

And you know, you got all these different religions and the big ones. You know, the big ones are all like follow us or you're in the money. Yeah.

Speaker 4: 31:43

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 31:43

Like you know, it's like this is the right answer. Yeah, okay. Well, how do you know? In a way, the same answer I get every single time I ask that question. you just got to have faith.

Speaker 2: 31:52

Dog. What do you mean? you just got to have faith. I got faith. My car is going to start in the morning Like yeah.

Speaker 1: 31:57

Like and and, and I don't say that to like dog on anybody because, like you know, being spiritual is a huge thing for me myself. I mean I say I'm more spiritual than religious because, like I mean, i just go about my day being a good person. I don't need a fucking book telling me to be a good person to people, absolutely. You know what I mean And it's it was dope hearing you like say what you said because you got a lot of people that follow religions like nope, there's a code, it's this, you have to be this way. You have to go to church every Sunday, have to go to church on Wednesday, but you have to go to Bible study. You got not like, just be a good fucking person, Like don't treat people like a fucking asshole and you'll be fucking fine.

Speaker 3: 32:43

Yeah, some people don't believe you'll be just fine, even if you are good person, that conversation before. But to me I agree with you Take care of people. Hopefully good will happen with you. But I, if you have that conversation with certain religious people, they don't like that. Well yeah, but that's just, that's their, that's their religion, their faith, and I don't knock them because if you, if you believe that, cool, just leave me alone.

Speaker 1: 33:07

Yeah, just let me live my fucking life and we'll be AO fucking K.

Speaker 4: 33:12

Yeah, i'm with you. This just goes. It works for you doesn't mean it works for other people, and you have to understand that at the end of the day, because religion is really just a set of principles that you have to put into practice and spirituality is in inner workings of how you view the world and how you want to respond to it, and people confusing the two things as being one in the same. They can be the same, but they're very different at the same time. If you're going to be religious, you should be spiritual, and if you're spiritual, you should have religious practice. But that doesn't mean that you have to conform to the overarching religions that we've already talked about. You can have your own form of religion, which is setting the expectations that you want out of your life and how you want to treat people and how you want to do things and how you represent yourself. That is a form of religion. It's just within yourself.

Speaker 1: 34:03

Did we just start a call.

Speaker 4: 34:06

A call.

Speaker 2: 34:06

I think we did. I think we're on the sum here. I think we're on the sum here Call a call. I think it's a call. I mean call it what you want I don't care, Dude, so you better you better believe this. You cannot think whatever you want You have to buy into this wholesale.

Speaker 3: 34:23

You can join selling. This is the son of.

Speaker 4: 34:26

Robbie's boys Throw the plug, that's right.

Speaker 3: 34:34

Yeah, yeah, we have all the answers. Just listen to it every day on repeat.

Speaker 1: 34:40

no other bands Well, dude, they're there for a long time. Like before I got with my wife, i probably would say like I was closer to being atheist than I was like anything else. And then I got my wife and like we used to have a lot of discussions, you know, she grew up Southern Baptist, like hard, like you know she meet people with the hats.

Speaker 4: 35:00

I love their hats, i do. I love the hats. My boy, my boy, i just I love the way they dress. It's so fancy I can't pull it off. It's fantastic.

Speaker 3: 35:10

He's describing like where she came off. You know, i'm like you went to Greenwood, yeah, we saw their Baptist. You went to Bible study at Greenwood, yeah.

Speaker 4: 35:20

Like literally had the stained glass windows Yeah, dude.

Speaker 3: 35:25

but like you went to a 30 person church, but my guy dog was sold down there in Greenwood That.

Speaker 1: 35:32

Greenwood Methodist.

Speaker 3: 35:33

Yeah, seeing out his books. Man, i saw you Yeah shit bro.

Speaker 1: 35:39

We on the bearer face in the band books.

Speaker 3: 35:41

He's like she was very religious. This guy was in the place.

Speaker 4: 35:50

We'd be downstairs in that basement and he cooking us up ideas or what the thing. Oh yeah, bro, like these nasty hot dogs. Yeah, maybe putting it in like Bible scripture the hot dogs, or something.

Speaker 1: 36:08

Bro, listen, greenwood was a Greenwood church, wasn't? you know what? You all got me somewhat over here now You gotta call me out like that.

Speaker 4: 36:19

Well, it was a fun time. We could play volleyball right after a church. Yeah, Oh.

Speaker 3: 36:24

I'm dude, i don't know. Forget that. Should we be inside talking church stuff and having circle talks? We?

Speaker 4: 36:30

go outside, we go outside, we go outside.

Speaker 3: 36:35

It's like I'm gonna beat everyone up Oh yeah.

Speaker 2: 36:41

You would.

Speaker 4: 36:41

That's what all he's been about arguing. It'd be ending with him crying.

Speaker 1: 36:48

Oh man, that's hilarious. Bro. do y'all remember that time I fucking got into it with Vence at the fucking church and then I started walking home? Which time.

Speaker 4: 37:02

Someone always was walking home.

Speaker 3: 37:04

Somebody went home mad every Sunday.

Speaker 4: 37:06

The good thing is you really didn't live that far It was. It wasn't a straight shot, it wasn't close, but it wasn't that far either.

Speaker 3: 37:14

We're like.

Speaker 4: 37:14

I'll make it, man, i'm out of here.

Speaker 3: 37:16

I'm walking. Don't try to pick me up on the road. It's like I'm gonna walk. That was our stepdad, for context.

Speaker 4: 37:24

Well, that was our stepdad.

Speaker 3: 37:29

But oh, i was gonna say well he would say the same thing.

Speaker 4: 37:32

So they're different on that.

Speaker 1: 37:35

Hey man, i was a very angry child. Hey, where are?

Speaker 4: 37:39

we, i think, growing up in Berkeley Springs, in the area that we did because we didn't grow up in Berkeley Springs, we grew up 20 minutes outside of it and not on the side where there was anything to do. So Berkeley Springs was 20 minutes away. The closest thing was delivered to gas station or church. And then, if you wanted to go to, Martinsburg it was 45 minutes and Winchester was like 50 minutes almost, because it took you out 30 minutes to get out the back roads to get to 522.

Speaker 1: 38:03

Doc, it takes me 10. What are you talking about? Back then our parents.

Speaker 4: 38:06

Yeah you gotta remember Yeah, we weren't driving, we didn't have to, man, we didn't have to. I'm not a nerd man, i'm like we are.

Speaker 3: 38:13

Yeah, their cars are putting down the road Our cars. We got now And I got around these turns.

Speaker 1: 38:18

I get around these turns But, dude, growing up back here was it was an experience in itself because, like you know, we went to Greenwood School. you know, k through 5, maybe 70 kids did the fucking school. And then we get fucking just thrown into the fucking middle school.

Speaker 4: 38:38

Two grades in one classroom, yeah, the whole time.

Speaker 3: 38:43

Yeah, you had. PE was the whole school.

Speaker 4: 38:45

You would get in trouble, like if you're in kindergarten and whenever the teacher said, okay, now I'm going to teach first grade, everyone in kindergarten, be quiet, don't pay attention to this. And then you pay attention, you get in trouble for learning.

Speaker 1: 38:58

I'm like I'm trying to learn You're thinking about that I?

Speaker 4: 39:01

can't do that all the time. I'd be writing stuff down. They're like what are you doing? I'm like I'm just trying to figure out what this is Like. that's for next year. I'm like why can't I learn it now?

Speaker 3: 39:09

Isn't it better than I should learn it now? I don't want you learning.

Speaker 4: 39:12

No, no, it's criminal.

Speaker 1: 39:15

Dude, it's wild, right, because you know we I mean, and then that's how I thought about, like the kids that went to Paul, paul that was K through 12, and was like 100 kids.

Speaker 4: 39:26

You know what I mean.

Speaker 1: 39:27

But then they would like. It, it, it. It blew my mind Like you go from being in a school where you know everyone.

Speaker 4: 39:35

K through fifth grade. It was more of a community.

Speaker 1: 39:37

Yeah, and then you get thrown into the middle school and you got a hundred kids just in sixth grade.

Speaker 4: 39:43

Like Nobody knows who you are. Yeah, everyone's already got friends. That's why all the friends you had in In Greenwood you all get spread out. Yeah, they don't keep you together. Now you all go do I knew people.

Speaker 3: 39:57

That's how that culture starts, man. Think about that. Say like that schoolhouse is all you knew growing up. And then you're just in some weird ring and you don't know. You don't know until you're like you know, For us it's getting in middle school and then it's high school and then then you're like I know everything. Then you get out, you see the world and you're like If you go to see the world, that's if you don't see the world, then you just become part of the system in the cold. Yeah, some people come back and try to change their shit, Yeah, and then doesn't work. It doesn't work in Yeah well, I mean crosses.

Speaker 1: 40:31

I mean, you know I haven't seen much of the world but I've seen a lot of this country, a lot of it. You know I've been to like Fuck all 48 States that are on mainland I don't know what the fuck that's actually called there. There's my Berkeley spring education, so education coming out. But, um, you know I've been, i've spent most of my adult life in the inner city, philadelphia, baltimore. You know, being out in Cali a lot Midwest, like, i've seen a lot of the country, right, mm-hmm. And you know everyone wants to talk about how, if you break up the US and the regions, they are all there like they're all separate countries, like, if you honestly think about, right, if you break up the east coast to the Midwest, to completely different worlds, but at the same time you go town to town, it's the same fucking thing we grew up in in Berkeley Springs until you get to the bigger city, yeah, once you get to bigger cities, that's a completely different fucking.

Speaker 3: 41:33

Oh yeah.

Speaker 1: 41:34

You know you've got a thousand different eco. You know mental, spiritual ecosystems and one fucking spot and one melting pot. Yeah, and you come to like the smaller towns, like a small towns, a small town, no matter where the fuck you're at in the United States, it does not fucking matter and it's kind of where the things, where and I don't mean this in a natively, but you either get with the program or you leave.

Speaker 4: 41:56

Yeah, yeah, 100%. Yeah and it's like in it. But if that's how the town wants to operate and that's how they want to be, you can't come in as an outsider and expect them to Change for you, because you're the one that moved there. Now You can certainly join the program and then say, well, maybe if we try this, do something a little bit different. That's different. I understand that that's trying to evolve the system, but at the end of day it's still their system 100%.

Speaker 1: 42:21

I mean Let's, let's use the Berkeley Springs bypass as example, mm-hmm, the 522 bypass, that is radio. Springs in action right now. So that has literally been talked about since we were in Greenwood. Yeah, fucking All 20 fucking years ago. Yeah, cuz, you know we're all what 25, 26, 27 right, Yeah yeah, you know, 20 fucking years ago They were talking about this bypass. No, can't have it, can't have it, can't have it can't have it. It's gonna kill the town. It's gonna kill the town. I'm like dog. Do you not go to Berkeley Springs? The town's been dead since we were young. Yeah, the only fucking thing that comes, that brings people to this town, is Apple Butter Festival.

Speaker 3: 43:02

I thought it was the bath into that, since I thought it was the bath.

Speaker 4: 43:05

Yeah, i mean I got to see where George. I mean I'm gonna see He was the first president and basically made America what it is. I ain't worried about that, i want to get that.

Speaker 1: 43:25

Forget the rest of it, but like, if I'm gonna be honest with you, that bypass isn't gonna kill the town. No no the people they come here know they're coming here.

Speaker 4: 43:34

It's not just passing through.

Speaker 1: 43:35

Oh hey, let's stop at the fucking country in and get a room for the night. No, it's, people are Deliberately. You're coming here.

Speaker 4: 43:41

The problem with the idea that it's gonna kill it is, the only part that anyone would ever stop at is Literally the downtown area. Use air quotes because that's the only part of the town, but where the cobblestone, brick Part is of the road, that's the only spot and you see it for that long. So you got to think really quick How do I turn around and go back there? Yeah, you got to know that there's all shoots that'll take you back and otherwise people just like oh, that was cute, let's keep going. Mm-hmm, that's what we're gonna do anyway.

Speaker 1: 44:13

Yeah, i mean, and I'm sick and tired of the fucking traffic on Fridays, man.

Speaker 3: 44:18

You know, you know I had a couple of every day. I had a couple people tell me recently They're talking about the bypass, like Not even just about the bypass, for there, like, yeah, i don't give it a brick, this rings around nine. I Want to come up to bring the springs, but they, they're like yeah look the town up there, but I just you get caught me.

Speaker 4: 44:36

I'm driving around an hour on that road. Oh my gosh.

Speaker 1: 44:39

You know, pisses me the fuck off is how the fuck is. Route nine speed limit 55 40.

Speaker 4: 44:45

You, you leave route nine alone. I like that 55 because, no, what they're gonna do is not gonna increase 13, they're gonna decrease I.

Speaker 1: 44:57

But if you pop all Google Maps Right and like you put in like, like you're going to Cumberland for something right and see popping Google Maps. For before you leave home G, google Maps says the speed limit on 13 is 55.

Speaker 3: 45:10

Hey, follow Google Maps, and it was all.

Speaker 4: 45:12

Oh yeah and it was all yeah what did you tell that to the police officer? What do you?

Speaker 3: 45:17

get pulled over to show that kind police officer that that 55 on there and be like this says it right here in technology.

Speaker 1: 45:26

Don't. I'm gonna hit him with one of those dude I just moved here. I don't know.

Speaker 4: 45:31

I don't know.

Speaker 3: 45:46

My sister's brother's house. Yeah, I'm related to them. I didn't live here.

Speaker 1: 45:57

My sister moved here from.

Speaker 2: 46:08

Bro, you don't look Canadian.

Speaker 1: 46:09

Well, you know. Oh how the fuck do you get from Canada to Berkeley?

Speaker 2: 46:25

My sister moved here.

Speaker 4: 46:35

What do I need a passport for?

Speaker 1: 46:38

Passports. We're neighboring countries, fucking Canada, the goddamn wildfires well, it's just.

Speaker 4: 46:50

It's hard to take a country seriously, not that if they're not a serious country, but their money is called the loony, i mean.

Speaker 1: 46:59

I didn't know their money was called like how do?

Speaker 4: 47:02

you name your money loony and ask me to take you seriously. They're great people, they're very nice, but they're their money's funny.

Speaker 1: 47:11

Can we talk about something like a little bit serious, real quick, though Fucking?

Speaker 4: 47:14

wildfires. You know I don't know anything about it, but I know that there's a bunch of smoke that keeps coming down here. Yeah, i don't really care about the smoke.

Speaker 1: 47:22

Well, dude, like I work outside like all day, every fucking day, and like dude, i Don't know what it is. Well, like my throat's, like I mean, i know what it is. But it's. It's just wild to think that, like you know where the fires are going on there at the They're past, you know they're up in like no man's land Canada, you know, like the no man land Canada, like Quebec and all that, and the smoke is Travelling, like it's traveling down to here. Yeah, it's wild. Which you know. To get up there is like a 13, 14, 15 hour drive, if not more. It's insane.

Speaker 4: 48:00

Well, that just shows you how strong Like wind in the climate is, that it will just bring it down and parents were. It's crazy.

Speaker 1: 48:09

Well so so my mom and dad just Drove up here from Tennessee. They're like as soon as we hit Virginia smoke. Yeah, they're like Tennessee, nothing, huh.

Speaker 4: 48:20

It must be because we're getting like a very end of it, i think, because you can tell it's smoky outside, like it just it everything just looks slightly hazy. But those pictures of like New York and it was, and I'm like that honestly, from someone that likes to do photography here and there, i'm like that I would love to take pictures in that.

Speaker 1: 48:42

I was like oh, lungs will be alright but but you know, like New New York City looking like that, that's like what it looks like every day.

Speaker 4: 48:49

Yeah, it's got a red tint to it. Yeah, Like well.

Speaker 1: 48:54

I've got a buddy mind that he works up McConnell's Birkett Tower, okay, and he said that the smoke was so heavy You thought it was fog coming off the mountain. Yeah, and I'm like that is so fucking crazy.

Speaker 3: 49:06

Wow, cocaine that, and I don't know why you motherfuckers don't have a mask on right now with all this smoke going on. That's wrong. More sort of our right now.

Speaker 4: 49:21

Are my lungs supposed to filter?

Speaker 3: 49:22

it out.

Speaker 4: 49:30

If I had it like an oxygen mask with actual filtration. That makes sense, that would work. But just like I got one of them.

Speaker 3: 49:37

I'm trying to figure out why that's not push you mean because it's not covered.

Speaker 1: 49:44

After we record I got something for you.

Speaker 3: 49:48

That's never good news Because, not to freak out, the rest of the guys listening Yeah, we can't. We can't put this on air.

Speaker 4: 49:57

This is against me. I Get it, though, on the same way.

Speaker 3: 50:03

I don't tell nobody. I was told not to tell anybody.

Speaker 1: 50:16

It's a, not information. It's Yeah, I love it but uh, or so, so, so. So with the music Sam, you were telling us beforehand that like you got like some business things that you're looking at going So sovereign silver studios, some Facebook, which that started because of Robbie's boys, right?

Speaker 3: 50:38

So we're like we record a bunch of stuff, figured out what works out what doesn't work. Oh, you know all the trial and error, right? So I'm like, well, let me just see if anyone else needs a service. You know to record Music production, right? So I started out again with our stuff. There's this church. I was helping out. They would send me their files or live files, and then I would mix that down, send it back to them. Um, i actually recently did some stuff for black cat. They did some shows here in town and just makes you know. And then Accidents, a band and Winchester I don't know if they're like, they're like coming out of high school, you know they're they all. It's a three piece. It was like a four piece, that's a three piece band. And they hit me up. Do these guys For being as young as they are, they're pushing dude like. They hit me up there like, hey, we want to do like an EP. We don't really know they worked with some other guy. They wanted something else done. So I was like, okay, i'll do EP for you. So they come out, record them. But they were on like a time crunch and all right, so we record it, put it out. They put it on CDs Came out there the month off for like the time frame we had and these kids are killing a dude. They're like playing 80s rock, you know. They're bringing back old school like 80s, you know.

Speaker 4: 51:56

I feel like things like Jet City Woman, stuff like that, yeah like it's just cool.

Speaker 3: 52:01

So they then tell me they're like what you should, you should bring them on it, they're really fun. So they're telling me they're like, hey, we're gonna call it to play the show. I'm like, all right, that's sick. I'm like, cuz they've been playing in Winchester, like hitting a Winchester I think they may have been in Marsburg, but Winchester they're all like down in there and They got to Cali and they like sell out their CDs and stuff. And then they hit me up there like, hey, let's do an album. I'm a guy, it'll be this price. But I'm not trying to kill them because they're coming out high school. You know I'm saying so. I I basically just charge them like the, the days, right, the track days, and then the mix and stuff. I'm like I'm just doing for you and Honestly I love it. Like recording bands that especially like them, like they don't know how to do it. They don't have the money to get the equipment because they're buying. You know, they're buying all their merch and they're doing everything else. You know, because some bands they buy all the equipment is what I did. I bought all the equipment. Now I'm sitting here like dude. If we would have just Hey, the studio guy around here, because they're burning around here It's chill, you know, if you get stuff. And he's like I hope you guys out, you know now me, i'm doing that for people. I'll just help you out because I know Help ones to spend, like we were talking earlier about interfaces, you spend $1,300 on one That's eight channels to do drums. You're talking maybe 16 channels If you get external prees, like I'm doing, like I'm doing 16 in and then I've got external prees, i got all this other stuff and now I'm like I Would now looking at it. I'm like I should just Studio. So now I'm trying to help people out, make it more streamlined. So therefore I need, you know, help, because now we're getting like some groups in that I can record. So, john, you know he said he would help me with like some editing. Steph and I have been in the talks of some stuff. So here this summer we're talking some live recording. Possibly I'll tell you after this some stuff, yeah, but got some other things coming up that might help with the live shows around here that it's gonna be really cool, like some really cool stuff. Maybe I'll come back on when it's more 100%, but I think this area will have something really cool coming out here soon Doing live shows. Bring the mic a little bit closer to you. Sorry, you're a good dog, but uh, yeah. So like shows in the future. Maybe the end of the summer, next summer might have some really cool deals from, possibly, me and some other guys, and you know if you just want your demo of your live show. So we got some. We got some cool stuff in the works, so hell yeah.

Speaker 4: 54:34

And if you really do want an unbiased view of One, how good that the was, three eyes for accident, just three, three guys, right, yeah, yeah. So one, just how good these guys are, but two, just a testament of how fantastic, of, because in a way I would say Sam was more for producer for that album than just a mixer.

Speaker 1: 54:56

Yeah, I did the whole guy them a lot, you did everything.

Speaker 3: 54:59

They just, they just performed a new record, hey, and, and they came prepared to. It wasn't like sitting there trying to like write their guitar parts. They came with everything. It was awesome.

Speaker 4: 55:08

They're really cool It's, but if you really do want a testament of how good Sam is. It's maybe what like 20 minutes worth of material.

Speaker 1: 55:16

Yeah, it's a really small It's a nice little EP.

Speaker 4: 55:19

It's like six songs and I'm not big on 80s music. I'm very picky on it. I think a lot of people really are that really dig into music, with 80s music because a lot of it's very synthetic. But if you, if you like that 80s kind of heavy rock but not like metal and You want to listen to these guys, it's fantastic. I really liked it and it's so crisp, it's so clean and the sound mixing is just right and say they're fantastic job on it. I mean.

Speaker 1: 55:50

Because it's your brother.

Speaker 4: 55:51

No, I know you are, but I don't want people to think that that's why I'm saying that is, i genuinely listen to it, because the last thing that I heard that we had mixed was Sterling, and if you listen to that and you compare it to that, it's light years difference.

Speaker 3: 56:03

I mean he's come such a long time.

Speaker 4: 56:05

You know like, yeah, i've done more projects since that, yeah and he's just he's, and to do it for somebody else and treat their work Just as high of a level, if not higher than what we would treat ours. That that's the way he approaches it. It's not. Oh, they're paying me. It's not my stuff, but I'll do what the money, what? what I'm paying is the amount of work I'm gonna do. That's not his mindset. I want it. It's how can I make this as good as possible for them? because There's nothing worse than investing thousands of dollars into something and feeling like you're treated like a hundred bucks.

Speaker 3: 56:38

Yeah, yeah, because they they came to me and they had some other work done and they're like hey, we want to redo some things and add some songs and stuff. And I basically told him send me, you know basically a lineup of your songs, that kind of thing, and just show up. And It was fun because it was it's basically two weekends to do all of it And it was like tracking, everything was two weekends And then you had to turn around and do the mix and everything else. And because they were on a time crunch for themselves, you know they wouldn't. They wouldn't get this stuff done. Because now and fall Shout out for them again They're had their full album starts. So they're doing like, now that they saw that they could sell out their CDs You know, all their in-person ones for the shows are like do we want like a full album? and now they want to take it up a step. They're like yo, we want to like teach me how to do this, teach me how to do that. I'm like, okay, let's go, let's, let's hit this. So your album is as solid as any. And they're sticking with the 80s thing. That's their thing. They want to do people so love 80s rock. You know I dig it, so I'm like let's do it be fun.

Speaker 1: 57:41

Well, I know the one kid from accident works down at the lodge in Berkeley.

Speaker 4: 57:46

And one of them works in Old Town at the record store. It's Bryson. Yeah, i talked to him every once in a while Wait what's the record store? It's in Old Town. You know where That road that cuts through. Is it back to the media?

Speaker 1: 58:01

Yeah, that place. Yeah, dude, you all know who owns that. No, you do You. You remember Lorraine and Skeeter from Greenwood The names. The guy who owns Skeeter's Otter body Yeah, and Berkeley Yeah, there's some mark owns that. Oh, all right.

Speaker 4: 58:21

I, i go in there all the time and I buy records like crazy, but I don't know any faces though.

Speaker 1: 58:27

Yeah, no, no, mark mark Kanol's owns that. Okay, yeah, which I didn't know that I walked in one day.

Speaker 4: 58:33

She's a guy. Is he the bald guy?

Speaker 1: 58:34

Yeah, okay, I talked to him Yeah okay, yeah, i figured it was him that owned it, just So so, like we went to church with his mom, we're ain't okay back in the day. Oh, i didn't know that. Yeah, um, i didn't know that was his store. It's a cool little store. Yeah, a buddy of mine and I had a business meeting And then we were like, fuck it, let's go to 5050 taphouse and get some beers. Yeah, so we went and got beers at 5050. Well, one beer turned into three beers. You know What I mean, Yeah so I'm like dude, I am way too fucked up to drive home. So we went walking around old town, Yeah, and we just popped in back to the meeting and I turned around like oh hey, what's up, mark? I was like what are you doing here? He's like I own this place. Well, it wasn't that cut and dry. Yeah but, it was essentially that yeah, dude. That's fucking dope like glad to see you.

Speaker 4: 59:23

I love that little store because I live like a 30 minute walk from there. Yeah, I just walked there and then I'll buy some records. I'll walk home. Well, dude, i mean, and it's not just records, like they got the yeah, that's got games in there, games if you like anything that vintage or feeling vintage and you like collecting those type of things, they have a nice selection of it. Because a lot of my issues when I go to a lot of record stores is It's all brand new stuff or it's a bunch of old stuff that Really I can't see the value of anyone buying. Not that somebody won't buy it, but it's just music that nobody's ever heard of. And I understand you want to have some stuff like that, where it's Oh, i might buy this and see if I like the music on it. But I think a lot of people know now what they want to buy when they go into these places. And he has a nice selection of he has new stuff and then you get old stuff. Because some records I like to buy a brand new, nice, clean copy, but some I'm like I want a really old version Where I can tell somebody loved this record, like I'll buy it just for that. I won't buy it because I want the record. I buy it because it's the type of that I want of it.

Speaker 1: 1:00:27

Well, i mean, dude, not only does he have like old games, like he's got old Pokemon cards old, you give cards like That right. There's nostalgia in itself for sure, cuz like I mean, i remember being in Greenwood playing fucking, you give it lunchtime. Oh yeah, everybody was on that. You give him Pokemon. Man Kind of wish I would have gotten the magic a little bit more. Never, i was younger. Yeah, that's a new age thing for me.

Speaker 4: 1:00:51

Well, i'm in high school. for me Everybody was playing that and I would try to play it, but I don't think anybody wanted me to play with them, so They're like no, and I couldn't buy him anyway, so it's not gonna matter. Speaking on the record store About a yeah so We are in the process of getting vinyls made of our next record. We're gonna do a hundred of them and And it's probably not going to be until next year that we actually put on it for sale, just because of some things that I got going on in my life and some things that Sam's trying to do and Well, we'll figure out, like, if you follow, like our Facebook and stuff like that, we'll certainly announce it and on there. But we're definitely gonna do some records under process right now. Hell Yeah Yeah and I look I'm a sucker for finals What size? Just regular, nice, be low-venge. Let's go big black, 12 inch vinyl.

Speaker 1: 1:01:52

So now we all want to play a Couple songs.

Speaker 3: 1:01:57

I could play one that. Yeah, obviously they're acoustic here, but on the record there.

Speaker 1: 1:02:03

Dude. I'm gonna tell you right now, for the longest time I was like man, fuck acoustic. You know what I mean. But then I've had quite a few acoustic acts on the show come in like dude. It's. It's more intimate, in my opinion.

Speaker 3: 1:02:15

Absolutely. Whenever like it's acoustic, then cuz our songs have like acoustic guitar in them, but there's like piano going, there's electric guitars, there's drums, yeah so yeah, i could do a little, we do have two songs that are solely acoustic on the record.

Speaker 4: 1:02:32

Okay, Yeah yeah it's an it's a nice. We try to do a nice blend of both So you're not getting too much of one thing.

Speaker 1: 1:02:41

Hell yeah. Well, in the meantime, I am going to give this a quick hiatus. We can get everything set up, and that's my man, we'll rock and roll And we're back. So you got a snazzy little tune that you're going to be playing. What's name of it? the beautiful strangers?

Speaker 2: 1:03:03

All right. So, oh yeah, so strange that desperately I'm to hear, including all your lives and all your helpless fear. Would you take me as someone new? I hope I get to see Everything you're hiding. That's the only truth to me. They're all insane. They're laughing without me again. Well, i don't know. Don't be whispering in my home T-shirt. And she is to all my friends After my rescue, with no name to remember. My movie is at its end. Stranger to, hey, comrade, when do we ever mean you walked off to the sunset like we never walked the street In my way, just a tool in my to blind to see everything you're hiding. That's the only truth to me. They're all insane. The laughing without me again, well, i don't know. But it don't be whispering in my home New T-shirt. And she is to all my friends. Off to my rescue with no name to remember. Blockbuster. My movie is at its end. Stranger to I don't know.

Speaker 1: 1:05:25

Hell yeah, dude, that's not like very like funky, like alternative vibes to it, and I love it. Yeah, then the.

Speaker 3: 1:05:33

The studio version it's it's quite different.

Speaker 4: 1:05:36

It's quite different. That's our like acoustic, you know. Yeah, we kind of wanted to offer something that you're not gonna hear on the album, but give you a sense of how these songs are built and how they're made, because that's where it starts for us Is. It's him coming up with just a strumming thing, figuring it out, trying to put some words together and then building from that.

Speaker 1: 1:05:58

Yeah, dude, i mean it sounds great. I've been on this weird, like weird for me. I've been on this weird alternative kick here recently, like listening to X ambassadors again vampire weekend. There's this band out of Salt Lake City I want to say, and Their names crooked Kings. They're really really good. But like, just like that alternative, just that sound that you just put off is like what I, in my mind, is alternative like that very low that very strumming guitar.

Speaker 4: 1:06:37

And that's what we're gonna consider. The album is alternative because it has. We use so many different genres together That it's hard to just say it's just this one thing, because we're pulling from a lot of our jazz influences, fusion influences, blues rock. Oh, we just we try to pull from everything that we love.

Speaker 1: 1:06:56

This one's a metal album coming well, I'm not a big metal.

Speaker 4: 1:07:06

I'd be down for it but yeah, it would just be hard for me, Hard for me to engage with it and be passionate about it.

Speaker 1: 1:07:15

You know who you should get with if you plan on doing like a little metal side project, fucking Like for like another guitarist, jared Levi. Yeah, dude, he sends me videos all the fucking time and the dude shreds.

Speaker 3: 1:07:31

Yeah, you get out there, get some going dude He's in Berkeley still. How long has he been around like? has he always been around here still?

Speaker 1: 1:07:42

no, he like kind of lived over Martinsburg for a little bit and then he just came back to Berkeley, like in the last year and a half. Hmm, but dude, he fucking shreds. Yeah, but dude, that that was beautiful, you see, in the name.

Speaker 4: 1:07:59

I love it.

Speaker 3: 1:08:02

Trying to make you know some of. There are some songs that aren't probably the easiest for most people to listen to. In our stuff That's like our, you know, everyone can listen to that song.

Speaker 4: 1:08:11

If we're going to say we have a pop song with air quotes, which I don't think. Any of our stuff is pop music?

Speaker 3: 1:08:16

Yeah, not even close, just different, but it's that.

Speaker 4: 1:08:20

That's the one that we think most people will be able to grab ahold of the easiest.

Speaker 3: 1:08:22

Yeah, beautiful strangers Yeah.

Speaker 1: 1:08:26

And would you say some of the songs on this upcoming album like? would you say like they're kind of like heavy, deep, like a lot, like you were talking about, like with your latest poetry book, oh being?

Speaker 4: 1:08:36

very layered. Yeah, In terms, in terms of the, the wording, I would say, yes, I will say you can pull a lot from a little, especially that song, Um, because half of it is repeated And if you pay attention, you re-listen to that. It doesn't go verse, chorus, verse, chorus, verse, chorus. Yeah, we do, It goes verse, and then this other little weird thing And then it's a giant chorus And it just repeats that format. But the verses are not the same length. The first one's four lines and the second one's only three lines, but they feel exactly the same length. But we changed, and you'll notice when it gets to the uh, hey, comrade, when did we ever meet? We changed how the song sounds in that moment And we kind of went with a little bit of a Western vibe in that moment because I had very like we're watching a Western film. It feels like those words are. I picked very Western words for that moment. I thought it would be fun and cool. But uh, yeah, we tried to. I try to do with the words give it to where it's not something, where you, when you listen to it, once you get the whole thing one time. I like to give people the opportunity to really dig in And if they want to get something out of it, personally they can. They don't have to. It's very sing song, As you just heard, and you can just blindly listen to it and you're like these words just go. But if you really want to dig into it, you can. And I think that also works with the music as well. Is, Sam really tries to layer, especially with guitars, and give this very dynamic approach where you can listen to it one time, listen to one guitar, and then you listen again. You're like what's that little strumming thing in the background And it just adds that extra little texture that you otherwise wouldn't have.

Speaker 1: 1:10:17

Well, dude, that's like when, whenever I talk about being a music fan, um, i listen to songs like to the point where, like one time I listened to it, I'm tuning everything out and I'm just listening to how the drum beat is. And then I'm tuning everything out and I'm listening, trying to catch the baseline. Cause, in a lot of metal, like you can hear the baseline, but like the guitars and the drums are just they ruled the world. And then, like they'll, they'll be times I'll listen to a song three, four times, just so I can hear the bait. like, listen to that baseline If you like bass lines Sam Hills, little bass lines Oh my God.

Speaker 2: 1:10:54

Great guitar player.

Speaker 4: 1:10:55

He is. His bass lines are fat, big, heavy, groovy, funky, like the bass runs.

Speaker 3: 1:11:02

Most of these songs, like the bass and the drums, I'd say, and the guitar I'm a guitar player and I love solos. I love, I love playing heavy metal. It's the thing. But for this stuff I said let's cut that shit back. And we were like let's do bass lines that you can hear when you're listening to it, You know, cause sometimes they get muffled under. You know, shit happens. But for ours I was like I'm going to make these bass lines hard. So now I'm trying to get a live show together and I'm trying to find a bass player that can hold up to, like some of these bass lines. I know, Yeah, And I'm looking because we have Sam the drummer that did that, Sam Polak. He's coming to do live drumming for me, for this stuff, And now we're trying to find a bass player that can hold to the bass lines, like we wrote.

Speaker 1: 1:11:45

Hit up Alex Myers or Matt Ubank.

Speaker 3: 1:11:50

I know who that is. I have to hit him up on Facebook. Facebook, right. Well, you know who who is that? Well, you said Alex, right.

Speaker 1: 1:11:57

Yeah, Alex.

Speaker 2: 1:11:58

Myers, this is.

Speaker 3: 1:11:58

Alex's bass player like in Berkeley, right Yeah?

Speaker 1: 1:12:01

Yeah, or hit up Matt Ubank. He's in 12 sins.

Speaker 2: 1:12:06

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 1:12:08

Which I'm pretty sure you also have 12 sins at Appalachian Fest, yeah.

Speaker 4: 1:12:12

I wouldn't know. I was there but I came at the very end. I think I was there for just the last act.

Speaker 1: 1:12:17

No, no, you were there for 12 sins. Was I 12 sins played right before Future Declaim.

Speaker 4: 1:12:23

I wasn't there when Future played. I showed up when they finished. Yeah, i can't wait. Yeah, he was. Yeah, yeah, i came to watch stuff and then play and I literally came to know what they were doing.

Speaker 1: 1:12:34

Yeah, that's fair, that's what I showed up, but 12 sins. Their bassist he fucking rips on bass. If you're looking for someone to play live shows with and I don't know how busy he is in life Alex would be someone to hit up because he's really good on bass too. Honestly, dude, that's one thing in this area that is not a hot commodity.

Speaker 4: 1:12:54

It's so hard to find a bass player around here We can find drummers for days, but you can't find a bass player to save your life.

Speaker 3: 1:12:59

I felt like I was being a bass player, just so people could need it, dude.

Speaker 4: 1:13:03

I mean, we know like five people that can just kill on drums and then we're like we need a bass player. Damn, i can't find it. I didn't even think of one person.

Speaker 1: 1:13:13

Dude, bass is one of those things where, like you know, listening to a lot of mainstream rock and stuff, like you don't hear the bass a whole lot. But like, the bass line is what makes a song a lot of times, and if you don't have a good bass line, the structure of the song is almost like non-existent In my opinion as a music fan.

Speaker 4: 1:13:35

Yeah, we like to make it so. if you want to hear any of the parts of the music, you can tune into just that part. Nothing's washed out. I love it.

Speaker 1: 1:13:47

I'm so excited to hear those.

Speaker 3: 1:13:49

We got a bunch of cool vocal things. Yeah, our music is just weird, man. Like it's hard for me to even like say what it is because, like we got like weird vocal things, our intro song is just a guitar.

Speaker 2: 1:14:02

It's just a guitar show, though It's a guitar intro thing.

Speaker 3: 1:14:04

It's cool. It's a little different, but it's not like soloing. You're not like sitting there hitting all the scales and ripping.

Speaker 4: 1:14:11

It's very melodic.

Speaker 3: 1:14:12

You know what I mean. It's like a slow like build, but then it hits you into the album.

Speaker 1: 1:14:18

Now, do y'all have a release date yet in August or the 18th, the 18th, the 18th?

Speaker 4: 1:14:23

And I don't know if we said the name of it, but it's called Blazin in Topaz, not Blazin Blazin B-L-A-Z-O-N. To be specific, because I've said Blazin before and people think I'm talking about, like smoking Blazin.

Speaker 1: 1:14:35

And I'm like no, the other type.

Speaker 4: 1:14:38

But yeah, it comes from actually our first album Sterling. If you listen to Cowboy Kid, local Guy said which if you want a really weird jazz Western song, that's a song for you. But the first line in that song is Blazin in Topaz. That's where it comes from, because we just like what that song's about. This album really digs into that idea of what that song's about. Just kind of being yourself, no matter what anyone expects out of you to be. Create the music that you want to create, write the things you want to write. Do what the hell you want to do Your life if people don't agree with it. they can find something else to agree with. They don't have to agree with you.

Speaker 1: 1:15:20

Dude. I think that's a big key in life period is not going with the norm, like, if you aren't with the norm not going with it, or just finding security in yourself to just be yourself.

Speaker 4: 1:15:36

Yeah, the hard thing to do.

Speaker 1: 1:15:38

It's a very hard thing to do. I mean, I've dealt with that in my life, trying to be someone that I know I am, but putting tuning out part of me to fit in over here. You know what I mean. Yeah, that's what you mean. I mean. Granted, the older I get, the more I've found my tuning of friends where it's like I'm Billy, What's up.

Speaker 4: 1:16:03

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 1:16:04

You know what I mean.

Speaker 4: 1:16:06

And if people can't accept that, that's their problem not yours.

Speaker 1: 1:16:08

If you don't like it, suck my pecker, that's right, yeah.

Speaker 4: 1:16:12

I got better things to do than worry about your drama about who I am.

Speaker 3: 1:16:15

You got to find people in your corner too. You know it's like us being here. You invited us. I was like Billy's in our corner. He's like hey, come out to the podcast. I'm like, yeah, that's awesome, i love that. Find more people like that. You know Steph and I are working together or whoever Richard coming out and playing drums for us. you know that you got to find people that are in your element, that want to back you up. None of these people that are like they'll hang out next weekend, and then they never hang out, but they'll do it earnestly.

Speaker 1: 1:16:42

Well, dude, i do that a lot to people and I don't mean to do it. It's just between the army, my regular job, the podcast, yeah, like sometimes I forget that there's life outside of work, work, work.

Speaker 4: 1:16:55

You know what I mean.

Speaker 1: 1:16:57

And I've caught myself doing that. Be like, yeah, man, let's hang out next weekend. And then the weekend comes and I'm like, dude, I don't want to fucking do a thing.

Speaker 3: 1:17:07

And then I feel like a dickhead. But well, you also don't sugar kid with those people Like you say hey, my bad dude, i didn't realize I'm gonna be this busy. I could do all this other stuff. If you're straight up about it. Some people aren't straight up. They'll just not show up and you're like you're sitting there waiting on the sky and he said he was going to be there, and then he goes three days later. He's like oh yeah, i had just something. I'm like, bro, yeah, i got a phone, just let me know, so I don't show up, looking like an ass, you know.

Speaker 1: 1:17:33

Well, dude, that's why, like, I mean part of me, that's why I do a lot of like stuff here at the house, because if I'm like super busy, like okay, i've already planned and invited people over.

Speaker 4: 1:17:45

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 1:17:46

I have to make time for this now.

Speaker 2: 1:17:48

You know what I mean.

Speaker 1: 1:17:48

Yeah, like I mean shit, dude. I prefer to like do stuff here at the house because I mean, granted, i live in the middle of bumfuck Egypt, so, like who the fuck should I say something about us fucking hanging out outside by the fire?

Speaker 2: 1:18:00

You know what I mean, yeah.

Speaker 1: 1:18:01

And like that's my go-to thing, like that's what I prefer to do, like if I'm hanging out with people, like that is what I prefer to do, have a fire going, just sit around the fire and shoot the shit. Listen to music If you want to play on your fucking phone, play on your phone. I don't give a fuck, we're just chilling.

Speaker 2: 1:18:15

Yeah, with you.

Speaker 1: 1:18:18

Which it's a whole nother conversation Yeah. Because dude phones rule our lives.

Speaker 4: 1:18:24

They do, they do, and it's difficult whenever, like, we're having a detailed conversation. But I think that's something that a lot of people really want, but I don't think they want it as bad as they say they do, because they'd rather be staring at their phone the whole time while they're doing it. And if you can't take the time to have a conversation with somebody without looking at your phone for 10 minutes, then you're not having a conversation with somebody. You're paying attention to your phone and you're really not able to listen to what somebody else is saying.

Speaker 1: 1:18:55

Well, I think that's why, like long form conversation podcasters so big right now. You know because, like you know, listening to a radio show, you still got to deal with like the ads every fucking few minutes. You know what I mean Podcaster, if you hear an ad, it's a minute and then it's right back into it.

Speaker 4: 1:19:11

Yeah Yeah, You know what I mean. You can skip them if you want. I'm like no dude, I can't do this. You're ruining my vibe right now.

Speaker 1: 1:19:19

I mean, that's like one of my cliches. This sounds like one of my favorite shows is Joe Rogan. Oh, i love Joe Rogan. It's great, like that's one of my favorite podcasts. Yeah, I mean it's the largest podcast in the whole world.

Speaker 4: 1:19:32

So if you want to listen to that. It's not the largest, for no reason.

Speaker 1: 1:19:35

Yeah, i mean you know like with Rogan, rogan gets on a plethora of people to talk to Even people who doesn't agree with.

Speaker 4: 1:19:42

Yeah, that's important.

Speaker 1: 1:19:43

Yeah, yeah, 100%. And then what I found was because of COVID and I got into an argument on Facebook with somebody and someone's like you should start a podcast, like to like, actually have these conversations in person.

Speaker 4: 1:19:54

I'm like and you're like where's that asshole at? I got to get my podcast started off, yeah.

Speaker 1: 1:20:00

Bro, bro, that same guy that, like I, got into an argument with. He was down to come on and talk, and then the day came and he bailed.

Speaker 2: 1:20:08

And I'm like yeah, fucking pussy.

Speaker 4: 1:20:10

I touch everything you need to know.

Speaker 1: 1:20:12

Yeah, and you know like, whenever I was getting into arguments like with people, like over COVID, it wasn't like COVID isn't real, it's like dude, it's an upgraded flu. Yeah, yeah, like that's what it is. Well, you got all these people dying. I'm like, okay, what was the conditions they had? Why are they dying?

Speaker 2: 1:20:28

Yeah, like, why are?

Speaker 1: 1:20:29

they dying. Yeah, Well, it's COVID. I'm like okay, what are the underlying conditions? Because Freddie Mercury died of pneumonia, but his death certificate says AIDS with complications from pneumonia. So what are the complications from? Yeah.

Speaker 4: 1:20:44

His immune system was just destroyed. Yeah, and the pneumonia token.

Speaker 1: 1:20:48

Yeah, And you know you had a lot of death certificates back then that were popping out and just saying COVID, like someone died on a fucking motorcycle accident.

Speaker 3: 1:20:56

Oh yeah.

Speaker 4: 1:20:57

It was a wild fucking time Not to say it's not sad that they died, but it's hilarious that that is considered a fact.

Speaker 1: 1:21:05

It's like, but that's not a fact, because a fact is something that's true, yeah, i mean, the dude might have not even known he had COVID, because COVID was one of them diseases that you didn't know until you were three days into it already.

Speaker 4: 1:21:16

Yeah, so you got it. You don't know Yeah.

Speaker 1: 1:21:19

And it had a three day incubation period, so you could be contagious for three days and not even know, and then you're just sitting there going I wonder how bad this is going to be.

Speaker 4: 1:21:26

Yeah, like that's what you do for three days.

Speaker 1: 1:21:27

Yeah, And then you know you had people like getting into, like car accidents and because they tested positive for COVID oh, covid death. Yeah, what the fuck you mean.

Speaker 2: 1:21:35

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 1:21:36

Like dog if I die from the fucking flu, or, you know, if I get the flu and then get pneumonia on top of it and it's the pneumonia that takes me out. That's what's going on. My death certificate ain't going to be dying from the flu, It's going to be a died from pneumonia.

Speaker 4: 1:21:49

But we got to, we got to cally things up correctly. Billy, you have to put the numbers where they matter.

Speaker 3: 1:21:55

Yeah, where they're supposed to keep things in line around here. Keep shit alive.

Speaker 4: 1:21:59

You can't just count things the way you want to, billy.

Speaker 3: 1:22:01

I mean, you know how to count from Greenwood. Come on, yes, yes, i did, yes, i did, that's your problem That bum fuck mentality right there, dude, i'm a very face value person.

Speaker 1: 1:22:14

I know the world's not black and white but like on a Jesus, you sons of bitches, but like you know, like, whenever you like, really dig down deep into like the way, like the human mind works right. It's a sometimes it's a very, very black and white thing. Most of the time it's very black and white, like you know what I mean, like you have like the all flyers right, you know. Like with, like mental illness, but even still like mental illness is very gray, because like there's so many different things that can pop that goes into mental illness, but like the way the world works is very, very black and white.

Speaker 4: 1:22:58

It's very world is ruthless. Yes, the world is ruthless, but everyone wants to act like it's not.

Speaker 1: 1:23:02

Dude, listen my my thing. I tell a lot of people right Because, like a lot of like you know, because like I get in my head a lot, you know, anxiety fucks with me. I wouldn't say the product. I've never had to have dealt with depression and like I feel sorry for, like I feel bad for people that have to deal with it And you know what I mean, this empathizing with. Yeah, And. but you know, at the end of the day the world does not give a fuck that I am upset in any way, shape or form My bills don't stop.

Speaker 4: 1:23:36

You know, because if everybody gets upset but everybody also gets happy, then why is that something we expect people to worry about on an individual level? We're all going to feel the same way. We just should just accept that we all have these feelings and not make other people have the responsibility of taking care of us. You should have the responsibility of yourself to know how to reassure yourself, and not expect other people to reassure you.

Speaker 1: 1:24:04

And you know, man, like sometimes like you get down in that hole where like you need that support system and you know need you find it in your group of friends or you go in, you talk to someone and get help, like that, right, there is you taking the steps to learn how to deal with it.

Speaker 4: 1:24:27

essentially, on your own, yeah, and that's not asking other people to fix you. That's you saying how can I fix whatever? this issue is in finding the resources to do that.

Speaker 1: 1:24:37

And that's being responsible for yourself. Dude, and I think we're in an age like you know. You all y'all remember growing up. Like you know, we'd have a bad day at school and it essentially be well. You got to go fucking back tomorrow, Like like we grew up with that, and pick yourself up by the fucking bootstraps and move the fuck on. Yeah.

Speaker 4: 1:24:54

But we're about later.

Speaker 1: 1:24:55

But. but I think we're we're in an age now where, like, the acceptance of like mental health problems is huge, and I think that's another reason why a lot of like music is like starting to blow up again. You know, like music's always been big, but there's a lot of people that have put a lot of their cool stuff into that Right Stuff that they've dealt with in their life in songs, like in music. like whenever my great-grandmother passed away, i can't listen to the dear agony from breaking Benjamin anymore, because that is the album I listened to on fucking repeat whenever she died and I put all of my emotion, everything that had me fucked up, into like listening to that album. But see, that was therapy for me, but that ain't my.

Speaker 4: 1:25:42

Might not work for you might not work, for you might not work for my wife.

Speaker 1: 1:25:45

You know what I mean. Like music is my therapy. Yeah, I have a bad day. I'm listening to some really fucking heavy Lorna shore the whole fucking way home. And I'm gonna get that anger out and I'm gonna come home with a fucking smile on my face, yeah, and figure it the fuck out, yeah well, you know, you're saying People like now, like back when we were going up, right, you're talking Pick yourself up.

Speaker 3: 1:26:11

Man up is what we were told. Right, we're told not a man up, deal with it. But also, we're still there's people like, thinking about it. I have a hard time Expressing myself. Feelings wise like me you know, 27 Has has a hard time with that, because when we were growing up we were told to shut up, man up, do your thing. So now, when someone comes to me and they're like, hey, i'm having this issue, i have a hard time stopping myself from saying that to those people, because That's what I'm used to. I'm used to that. No, we were never taught out of that. Yeah, you know, even us three just sitting here, we've never taught. So when someone comes to me now, i try to think about it and I'm like, okay, hold on, let me help this person, because of that's how I was taught, you know Well and then like, look at you and me both, both of us being military right, We get taught resiliency right.

Speaker 4: 1:27:02

You know, you gotta be resilient you gotta learn how to bounce back.

Speaker 1: 1:27:05

You know hunt the good stuff. You know everything that's in. You know the resiliency training. Whenever my wife was dealing with what she had to deal with, whenever we first got together, i was literally sending her master resiliency training videos like watch this, like and but like.

Speaker 3: 1:27:20

That's how I Like you know yeah, that's what you were taught.

Speaker 1: 1:27:23

Yeah, like that's what I was taught. And then, like you know, a year, two years in our relationship I was like you know that was a dickhead move, like I know I was trying to help but yeah, i was making things worse, cuz like getting that cut and dry shit from the military.

Speaker 4: 1:27:39

It doesn't work.

Speaker 1: 1:27:39

I mean. I mean, look at veteran suicide 22 a fucking day. If that shit worked we wouldn't have 22 a day. Yeah, maybe one, two, yeah and that's still too much. Yeah, that shit don't work man well, i mean, and you know I've tried to make like every single episode that we put out has suicide hotline on it has veterans help crisis line on it and like mental health is a huge thing because, you know, before joining the military, did you ever think about like Other people shit, or was it like pretty cut and dry, like I'm me, because like before I got in I was very Like I cared about how other people felt but I didn't dive into like how mental health was in this country and then Seeing like the veteran side of things, it's like fuck.

Speaker 3: 1:28:28

I'll tell you the truth. I Didn't give a shit at all for probably Seven years, until I had issues. You know, i'm saying, yeah, now I care You know, what I mean. And now I care. Now I text them. I'm like, hey, how you doing cuz. No one, do that to me. You know what I?

Speaker 1: 1:28:45

mean Mm-hmm. Well, i mean, do the military is very, very It? it's changing now? Oh, yeah, it's so, it's getting there, it's getting there, but for the longest time, you know, i've lost quite a few people that, like, i Was close to, like which you saw them one month, you thought they were good and then, like 20 days later, yeah, so we got another funeral to go to like. You know what I mean. Yeah, and like this in the reserves, yeah, right, like We're not dealing with the army every single day, people's, you know, being in the reserves, in the guard. We deployed just as much, if not more, than active duty. Yeah, and You know the fact that The guard and the reserves both Put a lot of pressure on you. I can only imagine what the people who are active duty go through.

Speaker 3: 1:29:41

Oh, i Was the place. The guys deploy list He deployed, i think it was like a year before comes back as a small break, gives again with me, comes back and they're talking again. You know what I mean. So it's not just like you know, you get tasked for like a, say, a year thing or eight months or whatever. It ends up being six months, whatever. It's not just that. Then you get your three year to be home like, do their my career field at least Do? there's a huge call from my career field. So this guy went three times within like three to four years.

Speaker 1: 1:30:19

You know what I mean. So, like right now with our, with The unit I'm in, we've had Between helping other units, have manpower, yeah, our own stuff in the Oh. Whenever I first came into the army, like you know, it was like every two, three years you were put on a rotation. Right now, it seems like in the last not not not including this year, but like up leading into this year There was like three mobs that soldiers from my unit had opportunities to go on and That's insane, like, yeah, in the last three years, having three opportunities to deploy being a reservist, right. You know, whenever we joined the reserves and guards, it was one week in a month, two weeks out of the year. Yeah, yeah, you know go to school and you know you're a part-timer.

Speaker 4: 1:31:15

I think it's because there's such a huge lack of recruitment, joe.

Speaker 1: 1:31:20

It's been. It's been a thing even before the lack of recruitment, like the believe it or not, per capita the reserves deploy more than the reserves in guard deploy, more than active duty does, which, granted, it makes sense because, like you know, active duty, their duty stations, like where they're supposed to be Yeah, right, reserves in guard is literally that, like we are the ones who are like in the reserve in case ship pops off. Yeah, and it's wild, right, it's. It's insane to me because, like, people don't believe me whenever I tell them that. But you know, you look at your experience, my experience. You know I've got cousins, you know I got family members that are on active duty that been in that's had like an one opportunity to deploy. Yeah, dog, i've been in 11 years and I've had five. Like that's insane to think about, right, like that's like an every two-year rotation and I'm supposed to be a part-timer, yeah, yeah, you know what I mean.

Speaker 3: 1:32:23

All right, and I've never gotten on one dude, so our shop It's like you know, full-time there's like four me and three others and then we got a few DSG. You know you're like your drill status people. I Went drill status person went One one guard guy. He's deployed like three times in my shop Like everyone has been in my nine years. You know. I mean in my supervisor. We're kind of like up there, You know. I mean She's when, yeah, she's went years ago when she was, you know, like active duty. It's like I thought was in the guard. You know what I mean. Our entire shop has been pretty much, Yeah, except for like one or two people.

Speaker 1: 1:33:10

But god, damn, you've been in for nine. Yeah, you know how old that makes me feel because, like I'm coming up on 11 right now, I've been in zero Dude, listen, i don't. If you look at like the people that like we all graduated with and like went to school, like the military is like a huge calling Out of our town, It's the only calling out of our town if you're trying to get out.

Speaker 4: 1:33:38

Yeah, you're trying to get out of that, or?

Speaker 3: 1:33:39

college It's that, or college That's it.

Speaker 4: 1:33:42

Yeah, most of you can't afford it.

Speaker 3: 1:33:43

You know either. But you know that's something else. They don't tell you that you don't need.

Speaker 4: 1:33:51

No, it's always you have to do. You have to do something. Yeah, you have to go to college Or you have to go into the military, and I'm like, i don't like either of these options, just do you know I'm say, like he's sitting right here, prime example, he's living a good life.

Speaker 3: 1:34:04

Think do either. You know I'm saying, but you can make it probably the world You can make it without going to either one. Yeah.

Speaker 4: 1:34:12

I'm not a millionaire or anything but, but you're comfortable. I've been, i've been, it's just been me this whole time Just doing whatever I want to do and the things that I want to do, and spend your more. Spend your money towards What you want to spend your money on. Mm-hmm, if you want to buy a bunch of clothes by much clothes, i don't care. Do whatever you want. If you want to travel, you can't buy much clothes. You don't need a lot of money to travel. It's just where your priorities are. If that's what you want to do, mm-hmm, that was what was important to me whenever I was younger, yeah yeah, but it's probably helped with your worldview as well, Oh yeah, for sure, Oh yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 1: 1:34:48

But, guys, we're over an hour and a half. That's cool, man. We had a good talk give yourself do the you know Promo, tell people they can find you, find your music, find you on social if they want to hit you up, and then we'll get this thing wrapped up, uh.

Speaker 4: 1:35:05

Pretty much everything's on Robbie's boys. You can find us on Facebook or even Instagram. We try to keep I try to keep everything to where it's the same. So if you go to one, you're gonna see the same thing on the other. So if you only want to do the one, you can only do the one. Like Sam said, once he starts getting his business stuff operated, maybe we'll come back at some point and then we'll get some more information. But he also has a silver studios production page on Facebook, i believe, and I think that you can find that through Robbie's boys in a way. So they're both sort of everything's interchangeable. Yeah, as for any of my writing stuff, i have a website It's just wwwjonwithoutthcom wwwjonwithoutthcom. So, john, without the H, i spell it out so people don't write the wrong John, and that's why I did that.

Speaker 1: 1:36:02

So, yeah, that's where everything is, where are people gonna be able to find your music or where can they find spot a fire?

Speaker 4: 1:36:08

Apple music. It's gonna be on everything. Hell Yeah, all of our current music's already up, so it's all on those places. So you can at least. So if you look up Sterling or if you look up the Valley. That'll Robbie's boys pull up Robbie's boys, and then you can find us that way too.

Speaker 1: 1:36:24

Hell, yeah. Well, thank y'all for coming on and sitting down chatting with me. That's been a long time coming because we talked a fuck ton of appellation.

Speaker 2: 1:36:30

Oh, yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 1: 1:36:32

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